All aboard the impeachment bandwagon: Cheney first, Bush next; Update: Dem House leader Steny Hoyer to block Kucinich resolution; Update 1:37pm Eastern: Kucinich on the House floor; Update 2:58pm Eastern Hoyer moves to table the resolution; Update 3:43pm Eastern: Vote still underway, flurry of vote-changing; Update: Hoyer motion fails; Denny K’s nutroots measure moves forward, the impeachment circus will “get its day in court;” Update: The Democrat switch-a-roonies; Update 7:45pm Eastern: What will Conyers do?
Update 7:21am Eastern 11/7. A Daily Kossack suggests that Kucinich to do it over and over and over again.”
Update 8:00pm Eastern: Quip of the night goes to corruptocrat Alcee Hastings. Gotta love the blue-on-blue action:
Kucinich “is on a quest of his own. He sees flying saucers and he acts like one,” Hastings said.
Update 7:45pm Eastern. What’s next? Fox is reporting that Kucinich claims House Judiciary Committee chairnut John Conyers told him the resolution is alive. Conyers is playing coy (hat tip - Paul M.):
Kucinich savored the victory, saying that Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers
had reassured him and backers of the resolution “that he would in fact launch an impeachment inquiry.” But Conyers told FOX News that he would announce his decision on Wednesday after speaking with House Democratic leaders.House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has previously stated that she did not want the impeachment articles to come to a vote. High-ranking Democratic Rep. Alcee Hastings, who was himself impeached while a judge in Florida, said he was not happy with Kucinich’s attempts to raise the matter on the floor in an attempt to circumvent the normal legislative process.
Update. The Hill reports that Rep. John Shadegg gets credit for outmaneuvering the Dems.
Who were the Democrat switch-a-roonies? Brian Faughnan:
There were 81 Democrats who voted to have an impeachment debate when they were pretty sure it would be tabled, then turned around and voted to prevent a debate when it was clear one might occur. Those opportunists are:
Neil Abercrombie
Tom Allen
Joe Baca
Tammy Baldwin
Bruce Braley
Lois Capps
Mike Capuano
Yvette Clarke
Bill Clay
Emanuel Cleaver
Steve Cohen
John Conyers
Joe Crowley
Elijah Cummings
Danny Davis
Pete DeFazio
Norm Dicks
Lloyd Doggett
Mike Doyle
Keith Ellison
Sam Farr
Al Green
Gene Green
Raul Grijalva
Luis Gutierrez
Phil Hare
Maurice Hinchey
Mazie Hirono
Paul Hodes
Rush Holt
Mike Honda
Darlene Hooley
Jay Inslee
Jesse Jackson
Sheila Jackson-Lee
Hank Johnson
Stephanie Tubbs Jones
Paul Kanjorski
Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick
Barbara Lee
John Lewis
Dave Loebsack
Carolyn Maloney
Betty McCollum
Jim McDermott
Greg Meeks
Mike Michaud
Brad Miller
Gwen Moore
Jim Moran
Grace Napolitano
Solomon Ortiz
Mike Pallone
Bill Pascrell
Ed Perlmutter
David Price
Charlie Rangel
Laura Richardson
Lucille Roybal-Allard
Bobby Rush
Jan Schakowsky
Bobby Scott
Jose Serrano
Carol Shea-Porter
Brad Sherman
Louise Slaughter
Hilda Solis
Pete Stark
Bart Stupak
Betty Sutton
Mike Thompson
John Tierney
Ed Towns
Nydia Velázquez
Mel Watt
Anthony Weiner
Peter Welch
Bob Wexler
Lynn Woolsey
David Wu
Albert Wynn
Update 4:52pm Eastern. Rolls are not up yet, but they’ll be here. Word is that Denny K’s measure is effectively dead because the Dems won’t act on it in the Judiciary Committee. Brian Faughnan at the Weekly Standard observes:
4:31 Update: Looks like the Democrats successfully regrouped after that first vote surprised them. The House just voted 218-194 to send Kucinich’s impeachment resolution to the Judiciary Committee. This effectively kills the bill, preventing a debate on impeachment.
It’s interesting that on such a weighty question as impeaching the vice president of the United States, votes can change so quickly. While the roll calls are not yet available, it seems there were plenty of Democrats who voted to go forward with impeachment when they thought it would fail, who suddenly voted against impeachment when it mattered. I guess it was all just about politics after all — even for the supposed ‘true believers.’
Indeed. I’ll post the roll calls when they become available.
Update 4:35pm Eastern. “The House just voted, 218-194, to send the resolution to the Judiciary Committee. That should end today’s debate- but it does keep the resolution at least technically alive.”
AP:
GOP Forces Debate on Cheney Impeachment
House Republicans, changing course midway through a vote, tried to force Democrats into a debate on a resolution to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney on the grounds he purposely led the country into war against Iraq.
The GOP tactics reversed what had been expected to an overwhelming vote to table, or kill, the resolution by longshot Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich.
Midway through the vote, with instructions from the GOP leadership, Republicans one by one changed their votes from yes _ to kill the resolution _ to no, trying to force the chamber into a debate and an up-or-down vote on the proposal.
At one point there were 290 votes to table. After the turnaround, the final vote was 251-162 against tabling, with 165 Republicans voting against it.
“We’re going to help them out, to explain themselves,” said Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas. “We’re going to give them their day in court.”
Heh.
Update 4:30pm Eastern. Chaos! Steny Hoyer’s motion to table the Denny K resolution fails 251-162.
Update 3:52pm Eastern. The current tally now shows 170 yeas, 242 nays, and 21 not voting. The nays now include 164 Republicans. It does indeed seem to me that the GOP is maneuvering to embarrass the House leadership and defeat Hoyer’s motion to table the nutroots impeachment resolution.
If you’re in the know, correct me if I’m wrong.
This is the first of four votes. We’re over an hour into a vote that was supposed to take 15 minutes.
An MSM blogger notices the developments on the floor:
At first, a whole bunch of Republicans voted with Hoyer to kill the resolution. Then they came to their senses and are in the process of switching their votes before the gavel comes down.
*** Update *** Now we are being treated to the spectacle of Democrats who had voted to table/kill the measure changing THEIR votes. They don’t want to be in a postion of defending Dick Cheney if they don’t have to.
Update 3:43pm Eastern. The vote to kill Kucinich’s impeachment resolution is wrapping up. C-SPAN’s tally shows 207 yeas (to kill), 204 nays (to support), and 22 not voting.
The nays include 133 Republicans.
Not sure what’s going on. Maybe Republicans want it to pass to embarrass the House leadership?
Lots of last-minute switching…now it’s 204 yea, 207 nay…192 yea, 219 nay…189 yea, 222, nay…
A simple majority is needed to kill the resolution. 218 is the magic number.
Update 2:58pm Eastern. Steny Hoyer just made his motion to table Kucinich’s resolution.
Update 2:54pm Eastern. If you’re in the mood for a quick trip to fantasy land, the video of Denny K is up at Hot Air.
Update 1:37pm Eastern Nutroots-mania on the House floor! Kucinich is now reading his impeachment resolution.
Update 1:27pm Eastern. This report claiming Steny Hoyer will block Kucinich’s impeachment resolution is attributed to Dow Jones…haven’t seen it anywhere else yet…so FWIW…
U.S. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said Tuesday he will block an effort to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney. Democratic presidential hopeful Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio has announced he will try to force a vote on Cheney’s impeachment. Hoyer said he will use parliamentary tactics to table that effort.
“Impeachment is not on the agenda,” Hoyer said.
Hoyer said his decision was not based upon the merits of the impeachment effort, but rather because the new Democratic majority had more important issues to resolve.
The wire dispatch is also on NASDAQ (via reader William Amos)…
Update 11:50am Eastern. Here’s the Kucinich campaign video about his impeachment crusade on YouTube. It’s self-parodying. At the end of the video, a Kucinich staffer announces a nationwide raffle to win the chance to spend an evening with Kucinich’s beautiful moonbat wife and watch the next Democrat debate with her while sticking pins in Bush and Cheney voo-doo dolls. Okay, I made that last part up about the voo-doo dolls:
Update 11:23am Eastern. Oh, crikey, they actually have an “Impeach Cheney First” song.
And I guess this little logo at the official Impeach Cheney site is for non-English speakers. Or something:
Reader Steve e-mails:
The peach that they are using in the logo at the official Impeach Cheney site is the logo from Sage Software’s Peachtree Accounting software. I just happen to have the box on my desk while I’m installing their latest version. I wonder if Sage Software (one of the largest accounting software firms) might have an issue with the nutroots using their logo.
Here’s a reference. It’s the three little droplets of water that give it away as being stolen.
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I told you on Friday about Dennis Kucinich’s privileged resolution to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney. Well, today’s the day. The UFO-spotter will hold a press conference at 3pm Eastern. The After Downing Street mob is singing a new left-wing tune: All we are saying is give impeachment a chance.
Kucinich’s co-sponsors are Jan Schakowsky, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Keith Ellison, Lynn Woolsey, Barbara Lee, Albert Wynn, William Lacy Clay, Dennis Kucinich, Yvette Clarke, Jim McDermott, Jim Moran, Bob Filner, Sam Farr, Robert Brady, Tammy Baldwin, Donald Payne, Steve Cohen, Sheila Jackson Lee, Carolyn Kilpatrick, Ed Towns, Diane Watson.
There was supposed to be a conference call last night about the resolution, but so many unhinged members of the nutroots community called in, that they apparently crashed the lines:
Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich is planning to re-schedule a nationwide conference call to discuss Articles of Impeachment against Vice President Richard B. Cheney after tonight’s planned event encountered technical problems stemming largely from the overwhelming volume of calls from interested citizens.
The Kucinich campaign apologized for the snafu, explaining that staff had significantly underestimated the number of call-ins, and public interest in the issue exceeded technological capacity. The call will be re-scheduled within the next few days.
Kucinich, author and prime sponsor of the impeachment measure against Cheney, will be introducing a privileged resolution to the House tomorrow (Tuesday) to force a vote on the matter of impeachment.
LB at Don’t Go Into the Light cracks: “…perhaps he couldn’t establish an up-link with the mother ship.”
Here’s the text of the resolution:
RESOLUTION
Impeaching Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Resolved, That Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:
Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Article I
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of Vice President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States by fabricating a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to justify the use of the United States Armed Forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security interests, to wit:
(1) Despite all evidence to the contrary, the Vice President actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction:
(A) `We know they have biological and chemical weapons.’ March 17, 2002, Press Conference by Vice President Dick Cheney and His Highness Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa, Crown Prince of Bahrain at Shaikh Hamad Palace.
(B) `. . . and we know they are pursuing nuclear weapons.’ March 19, 2002, Press Briefing by Vice President Dick Cheney and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in Jerusalem.
(C) `And he is actively pursuing nuclear weapons at this time . . .’ March 24, 2002, CNN Late Edition interview with Vice President Cheney.
(D) `We know he’s got chemicals and biological and we know he’s working on nuclear.’ May 19, 2002, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(E) `But we now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons . . . Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.’ August 26, 2002, Speech of Vice President Cheney at VFW 103rd National Convention.
(F) `Based on intelligence that’s becoming available, some of it has been made public, more of it hopefully will be, that he has indeed stepped up his capacity to produce and deliver biological weapons, that he has reconstituted his nuclear program to develop a nuclear weapon, that there are efforts under way inside Iraq to significantly expand his capability.’ September 8, 2002, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(G) `He is, in fact, actively and aggressively seeking to acquire nuclear weapons.’ September 8, 2002, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(H) `And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.’ March 16, 2003, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(2) Preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq the Vice President was fully informed that no legitimate evidence existed of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The Vice President pressured the intelligence community to change their findings to enable the deception of the citizens and Congress of the United States.
(A) Vice President Cheney and his Chief of Staff, Lewis Libby, made multiple trips to the CIA in 2002 to question analysts studying Iraq’s weapons programs and alleged links to al Qaeda, creating an environment in which analysts felt they were being pressured to make their assessments fit with the Bush administration’s policy objectives accounts.
(B) Vice President Cheney sought out unverified and ultimately inaccurate raw intelligence to prove his preconceived beliefs. This strategy of cherry picking was employed to influence the interpretation of the intelligence.
(3) The Vice President’s actions corrupted or attempted to corrupt the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, an intelligence document issued on October 1, 2002, and carefully considered by Congress prior to the October 10, 2002, vote to authorize the use of force. The Vice President’s actions prevented the necessary reconciliation of facts for the National Intelligence Estimate which resulted in a high number of dissenting opinions from technical experts in two Federal agencies.
(A) The State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research dissenting view in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate stated `Lacking persuasive evidence that Baghdad has launched a coherent effort to reconstitute it’s nuclear weapons program INR is unwilling to speculate that such an effort began soon after the departure of UN inspectors or to project a timeline for the completion of activities it does not now see happening. As a result INR is unable to predict that Iraq could acquire a nuclear device or weapon.’.
(B) The State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research dissenting view in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate also stated that `Finally, the claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa are, in INR’s assessment, highly dubious.’.
(C) The State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research dissenting view in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate references a Department of Energy opinion by stating that `INR accepts the judgment of technical experts at the US Department of Energy (DOE) who have concluded that the tubes Iraq seeks to acquire are poorly suited for use in gas centrifuges to be used for uranium enrichment and finds unpersuasive the arguments advanced by others to make the case that they are intended for that purpose.’.
The Vice President subverted the national security interests of the United States by setting the stage for the loss of more than 3300 United States service members; the loss of 650,000 Iraqi citizens since the United States invasion; the loss of approximately $500 billion in war costs which has increased our Federal debt; the loss of military readiness within the United States Armed Services due to overextension, lack of training and lack of equipment; the loss of United States credibility in world affairs; and the decades of likely blowback created by the invasion of Iraq.
In all of this, Vice President Richard B. Cheney has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as Vice President, and subversive of constitutional government, to the prejudice of the cause of law and justice and the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, is guilty of an impeachable offense warranting removal from office.
Article II
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of Vice President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda in order to justify the use of the United States Armed Forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security interests, to wit:
(1) Despite all evidence to the contrary, the Vice President actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and the Congress of the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda:
(A) `His regime has had high-level contacts with Al Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to Al Qaeda terrorists.’ December 2, 2002, Speech of Vice President Cheney at the Air National Guard Senior Leadership Conference.
(B) `His regime aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda. He could decide secretly to provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against us.’ January 30, 2003, Speech of Vice President Cheney to 30th Political Action Conference in Arlington, Virginia.
(C) `We know he’s out trying once again to produce nuclear weapons and we know that he has a long-standing relationship with various terrorist groups, including the Al Qaeda organization.’ March 16, 2003, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(D) `We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on biological weapons and chemical weapons . . .’ September 14, 2003, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(E) `Al Qaeda had a base of operation there up in Northeastern Iraq where they ran a large poisons factory for attacks against Europeans and U.S. forces.’ October 3, 2003, Speech of Vice President Cheney at Bush-Cheney ‘04 Fundraiser in Iowa.
(F) `He also had an established relationship with Al Qaeda providing training to Al Qaeda members in areas of poisons, gases, and conventional bombs.’ October 10, 2003, Speech of Vice President Cheney to the Heritage Foundation.
(G) `Al Qaeda and the Iraqi intelligence services have worked together on a number of occasions.’ January 9, 2004, Rocky Mountain News interview with Vice President Cheney.
(H) `I think there’s overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between Al Qaeda and the Iraqi government.’ January 22, 2004, NPR: Morning Edition interview with Vice President Cheney.
(I) `First of all, on the question of-of whether or not there was any kind of relationship, there clearly was a relationship. It’s been testified to; the evidence is overwhelming.’ June 17, 2004, CNBC: Capital Report interview with Vice President Cheney.
(2) Preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq the Vice President was fully informed that no credible evidence existed of a working relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda, a fact articulated in several official documents, including:
(A) A classified Presidential Daily Briefing ten days after the September 11, 2001, attacks indicating that the United States intelligence community had no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the September 11th attacks and that there was `scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda’.
(B) Defense Intelligence Terrorism Summary No. 044-02, issued in February 2002 by the United States Defense Intelligence Agency, which challenged the credibility of information gleaned from captured al Qaeda leader al-Libi. The DIA report also cast significant doubt on the possibility of a Saddam Hussein-al-Qaeda conspiracy: `Saddam’s regime is intensely secular and is wary of Islamic revolutionary movements. Moreover, Baghdad is unlikely to provide assistance to a group it cannot control.’.
(C) A January 2003 British intelligence classified report on Iraq that concluded that `there are no current links between the Iraqi regime and the al-Qaeda network’.
The Vice President subverted the national security interests of the United States by setting the stage for the loss of more than 3,300 United States service members; the loss of 650,000 Iraqi citizens since the United States invasion; the loss of approximately $500 billion in war costs which has increased our Federal debt; the loss of military readiness within the United States Armed Services due to overextension, lack of training and lack of equipment; the loss of United States credibility in world affairs; and the decades of likely blowback created by the invasion of Iraq.
In all of this, Vice President Richard B. Cheney has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as Vice President, and subversive of constitutional government, to the prejudice of the cause of law and justice and the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, is guilty of an impeachable offense warranting removal from office.
Article III
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of Vice President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has openly threatened aggression against the Republic of Iran absent any real threat to the United States, and done so with the United States proven capability to carry out such threats, thus undermining the national security of the United States, to wit:
(1) Despite no evidence that Iran has the intention or the capability of attacking the United States and despite the turmoil created by United States invasion of Iraq, the Vice President has openly threatened aggression against Iran as evidenced by the following:
(A) `For our part, the United States is keeping all options on the table in addressing the irresponsible conduct of the regime. And we join other nations in sending that regime a clear message: We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.’ March 7, 2006, Speech of Vice President Cheney to American Israel Public Affairs Committee 2006 Policy Conference.
(B) `But we’ve also made it clear that all options are on the table.’ January 24, 2007, CNN Situation Room interview with Vice President Cheney.
(C) `When we-as the President did, for example, recently-deploy another aircraft carrier task force to the Gulf, that sends a very strong signal to everybody in the region that the United States is here to stay, that we clearly have significant capabilities, and that we are working with friends and allies as well as the international organizations to deal with the Iranian threat.’ January 29, 2007, Newsweek interview with Vice President Cheney.
(D) `But I’ve also made the point and the President has made the point that all options are still on the table.’ February 24, 2007, Vice President Cheney at Press Briefing with Australian Prime Minister in Sydney, Australia.
(2) The Vice President, who repeatedly and falsely claimed to have had specific, detailed knowledge of Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction capabilities, is no doubt fully aware of evidence that demonstrates Iran poses no real threat to the United States as evidenced by the following:
(A) `I know that what we see in Iran right now is not the industrial capacity you can [use to develop a] bomb.’ Mohamed ElBaradei, Director General of International Atomic Energy Agency, February 19, 2007.
(B) Iran indicated its `full readiness and willingness to negotiate on the modality for the resolution of the outstanding issues with the IAEA, subject to the assurances for dealing with the issues in the framework of the Agency, without the interference of the United Nations Security Council’. IAEA Board Report, February 22, 2007.
(C) `. . . so whatever they have, what we have seen today, is not the kind of capacity that would enable them to make bombs.’ Mohamed El Baradei, Director General of International Atomic Energy Agency, February 19, 2007.
(3) The Vice President is fully aware of the actions taken by the United States towards Iran that are further destabilizing the world as evidenced by the following:
(A) The United States has refused to engage in meaningful diplomatic relations with Iran since 2002, rebuffing both bilateral and multilateral offers to dialogue.
(B) The United States is currently engaged in a military buildup in the Middle East that includes the increased presence of the United States Navy in the waters near Iran, significant United States Armed Forces in two nations neighboring to Iran, and the installation of anti-missile technology in the region.
(C) News accounts have indicated that military planners have considered the B61-11, a tactical nuclear weapon, as one of the options to strike underground bunkers in Iran.
(D) The United States has been linked to anti-Iranian organizations that are attempting to destabilize the Iranian government, in particular the Mujahideen-e Khalq (MEK), even though the state department has branded it a terrorist organization.
(E) News accounts indicate that United States troops have been ordered into Iran to collect data and establish contact with anti-government groups.
(4) In the last three years the Vice President has repeatedly threatened Iran. However, the Vice President is legally bound by the U.S. Constitution’s adherence to international law that prohibits threats of use of force.
(A) Article VI of the United States Constitution states, `This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land.’ Any provision of an international treaty ratified by the United States becomes the law of the United States.
(B) The United States is a signatory to the United Nations Charter, a treaty among the nations of the world. Article II, Section 4 of the United Nations Charter states, `All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.’ The threat of force is illegal.
(C) Article 51 lays out the only exception, `Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.’ Iran has not attacked the United States; therefore any threat against Iran by the United States is illegal.
The Vice President’s deception upon the citizens and Congress of the United States that enabled the failed United States invasion of Iraq forcibly altered the rules of diplomacy such that the Vice President’s recent belligerent actions towards Iran are destabilizing and counterproductive to the national security of the United States.
In all of this, Vice President Richard B. Cheney has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as Vice President, and subversive of constitutional government, to the prejudice of the cause of law and justice and the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
And that is just the beginning.
Kucinich called up a left-wing blogger to let him know that Bush is next:
Congressman Dennis Kucinich said on a conference call Monday evening that after moving to impeach Vice President Cheney on Tuesday he will also introduce, at a future date, a resolution to impeach President Bush. Or rather, he would have said that on the conference call if not for several technical SNAFUs.
The call was advertised as a one-way call on which only Kucinich could speak, but Kucinich was unable to get through because of the incredible number of people on the call (I have no count yet, but the dings of the new people coming on were a steady stream of noise for half an hour).
So Kucinich phoned me, and I held one of my phones up to another so that everyone on the call could hear him. That was working fine for about 20 seconds, until the geniuses running the call chose that moment to mute everyone except Dennis (without stopping to realize that by muting me they were muting Dennis). So, Kucinich gave a nice speech through my phones, but I was the only one listening.
What will Nancy “Impeachment is off the table” Pelosi do?
Stay tuned for the day-long circus.
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What’s the purpose? Don’t they have anything better to do?
I knew Barnum and Bailey as well as Ringling Brothers were downsizing but
whyhow did they end up in Congress?I think Kucinich was abducted by that UFO he saw and they experimented on his brain.
There are a whole series of Senators and Representatives that are much more realistically impeachable for betraying the public trust of those that elected them than anyone at the top of this administration …
What is so ridiculous is that these buffoons don’t seem to realize that if we weren’t in Iraq and Afghanistan we would be fighting the GWOT somewhere else on the planet. These terrorists are not going to go away by wasting all the congressional hours trying to do something this stupid. They only understand one thing and that is military force. You can’t reason with the insanity of radicalism.
Of course, once you consider the source you realize the UFO man is at it again.
I think Kucinich should be impeached for claiming to have a brain.
This is our Congress for today.
Congress Clowns
I say let the crazies go at it and the rest of America will sit back and go “we voted Democrat in 06 why”. Jackasses all.
Remember in 1998, they said trying to impeach the President was a “coup.”
Same people too.
Tough on impeachment and soft on terrorism, and inept at technology and these are their strong points? Wonder what their week points are?
Impeaching a VP, and a wartime President would put President Nancy into the white house. Effectively stealing the title of First Woman President from Hilary — Could this lead to a Hillary Nancy catfight?
Sounds like the Hollywood writers have been caught writing for political reality shows again.
This is not funny. This makes me sick. The liberals want to free terrorists and treat our President and Vice President like criminals DURING A TIME OF WAR!
Two words that have lost their meaning:
Treachery
Sedition
What really makes me sad is people are sucking this up.
The only thing that makes sense is using Kucinick and SNAFU in the same sentence. The dogface soldiers of WWII could hardly have imagined when they were coining the acronym SNAFU (situation normal – all f***ed up) that it would someday be so appropriately applied to our elected representatives.
My prediction - the impeachment resolution goes nowhere. But it should be entertaining to watch as Dennis relays messages from the mother ship.
I’m making popcorn if anyone wants to come over…
ha ha ha…. as it should be.
Time for the Republicans to move to expell Kucinich from the House.
President Clinton explains Iraq strike - December 16, 1998 - “Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack
Iraq’s nuclear,
chemical, and
biological weapons
programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.”
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
Why on earth are the republicans so loud in their silence over this complete misuse of time energy and money? Why hasn’t someone slapped Kucinich down and told him to get a grip, if not a life? Hello mars?
MrFreeman07,
Michelle answered that long ago. They have no gum balls.
Morning soap,
the ventilators should do one “we have no gum balls today”
sung to the tune of “we have no bananas today”
What a bunch of Crapweasels.
I sure hope he has some hard evidence to back his claim up. Otherwise, he will need to impeach some very important Democrat senators too. Most of his claims are from interviews the VP gave. Has he bothered to check the Congressional Record?
If I were a Republican lawmaker, I would stand up and interrupt this little show and ask that everyone who signed on to this resolution be charged with sedition immediately. Then I would ask to censure every one of these traitors! I would interrupt them constantly, making every effort to stop this silliness.
Finally, I would find it interesting if Pelosi controls the gavel during this little tirade.
Reading from the articles of impeachment….how does Mr. Kucinich KNOW that there were not weapons of mass destruction. Our (supposed) not finding them is NOT evidence they do not exist. As far as I am aware, bin Laden exists, but we’ve not been able to find him either. If I remember correctly, Eric Rudolph existed, and it took us several years to find him even though we “knew” where he was within a 10 mile by 10 mile area. Maybe the UFO’s told him this.
Saddam sure seemed to act like he had them. If he didn’t, he sure seemed willing to give up everything to perpetuate a ruse.
When you ask a child if he took the cookies from the cookie jar and he won’t look you in the eye and say no - what do you conclude? In Kucinich’s case, he concludes that since the cookies were not found in the pockets of the child, obviously the cookies did not exist.
Consider this…
Just for the sake of argument, the Moonbats pull this off and impeach Cheney. Then they start going after Bush. Several things could happen.
1) Bush gets off his posterior and fights back hard. IMHO there is sufficient information in the public record to have a number of members of Congress arrested and charged with treason. (As defined by the constitution)
Who knows what an actual criminal investigation would show?
(Like a certain fat senator from a north eastern state who twice offered his office to the USSR to wreck 2 presidency’s?)
Having a dozen or so members hauled off to jail in shackles, then trying them and asking for the death penalty would definitely scare the **** out of the remainder, not to mention if actual convictions were attained and upheld.
Ok, I can dream can’t I?
A second possibility…
2)They pull it off and we have President Pelosi. She promptly begins surrendering to everyone she can.
Now suppose that thanks to her efforts we get hit again by the islamofascists and this time she decides “Oh no! We can’t do anything! It’s all our, (The U.S.A.) fault and the fault of Bush!”
I think the military might decided that she is a domestic enemy and has to be removed along with the morons in congress. (Both Parties) The generals wouldn’t want to run the country for more then a day so they will probably get one of the 4-5 ethical members of congress to run things until the next election.
Ok, enough with the fantasies. Any more and I’ll be forced of to KOSland, where the sky is pink and the rivers are made of chocolate and the trees are pure cotton candy.
Off to the polls for me and my wife. She’s voting straight democrat. She has to since she’s not a citizen and we all know that all non-citizens have no choice but to vote for the dimwit party.
So the Nutroots are “Interested Citizens” and those concerned with the Constitution, the Law and little frivolities such as true freedom and liberty are fascist now? You think Stalin, Mao and Lenin will get a break from their current place of residence to celebrate?
No wonder nothing gets done with a dem congress their too busy chasing fairy tales.
We have some real issues and they want to have law suits.
Anyone that’s votes these fools in again deserve what they get!
After all the taxes I’m paying in for this loser to have a salary, I totally demand a refund.
This is a waste of MY MONEY and I want it back. These dumb-arse twerps in Congress wouldn’t know the meaning of the title “public servant” if someone shoved an entire encyclopedia britannica up their bums.
Howdy AJ,
I saw the pictures of the writers guild protesting. Must have made the signs up before the strike!
/on topic
Great post e-ned. I am with you on the dream part. If we keep dreaming like that, we will be the one’s accused of wearing tin foil hats - LOL.
Actually they prevent military backlash by introducing the PAX into the atmosphere to reduce aggressiveness. Then every red state turns Reaver and eats the hippies alive. I know it sounds gross but once you get past the natural gagging reflex it’s not much worse than paying taxes
Glad you liked it.
Oh, Tin foil is so last year. This year it’s copper mesh. Don’t you think it just goes so well with a “Trust fund tan?”
You know, a tan developed by people with large trust funds, no need to work and huge amounts of liberal guilt? They get it sitting around San Tropaz discussing the plight of those poor peons forced to live in flyover country.
Conservatives impeached Bill Clinton over much less.
Pelosi said impeachment was off the table and she meant it. She is not supporting the Kucinich bill.
I think history will judge that the Bush, Jr. years were the moswt corrupt since Teapot Dome.
Why not counter-post all the quotes from Democrats during the same 2002 time period in which they *also* said that Saddam had and was developing more WMD?
Clinton’s actions were criminal no matter who had committed them, just one difference and there are many more. Just who has Bush raped? But this is a good thing over all. Two things are in desperate need of an airing here; firstly the insipid lunacy of Kucinich. This guy is more stupid and crazy than Edwards and that is saying something. Secondly, that these “charges” to date swirling in the Leftwing phantasm unchallenged are without any foundation. It is just another in a long string of Leftwing slanders… cowards despising better men. That’s what these scum are. And there greatest terror is that Bush was actually right all along. Oh, the humanity!
#28 please expand on how Bush is corrupt…..
In this case, I think it is wise for Republicans to keep silent till after the Kabucki theater gets going. The Dems are going to make themselves look really, really bad with this, so, let them yap away and provide material to be used later on.
Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. How many times have you been told to ALWAYS wear that tinfoil hat when you’re on the mothership?
I guess the 500+ munitions we FOUND in Iraq loaded with chemical agents don’t count. I guess the mobile chem. labs, the antidote vials, the chemical protection suits, the 18 warheads found by the Polish unit also don’t count. And what happens when we are finally able to comb around Syria and find the drums of chemicals that were moved there right before we invaded Iraq. It’s amazing how the actual confirmed evidence of the WMD program that existed has been erased from the equation. Let’s not forget Joe Wilson’s lies about Saddam trying to acquire yellow cake for a nuclear weapon.
Is he also going to bring charges against Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and the rest of the democraps that were screaming about Iraq’s WMD’s….hmmmm??
BDS is definitely a disease because these people are certifiably insane!
Why now? Besides the fact that the claims are ludicrous, the President only has a year left. Droves of people are already unhappy with him. Impeaching him, assuming they even succeed in passing the impeachment resolution, isn’t going to do a damn thing, except maybe produce an even bigger backlash against the libtards. Rather than doing what the American population sent them to Congress for, they’re going to waste the next year on a toothless resolution that won’t be ratified.
What is this country coming to? It looks terrible to the world that we aren’t united. These crazy liberals cant concentrate on anything positive. All they care to do is bring down conservatives.
#28
What corruptness are you referring to? Have you not been safe and terror free these past almost 7 years??????
William….I’m with you….there is no downside here for the republicans, they should do what they are doing….then, when pelosi tries to lie her way out of NOT trying to impeach anyone, just remind the whole world of everything that the leftists had been saying since 1998 and well into 2003….which is exactly the same stuff kookcinich is accusing cheney for lying about….should be entertaining!!!
lgm - are you serious? Lying under oath - you can look it up - it’s called Perjury - is not LESS. It’s defined as a crime.
What will Nancy Pelosi do?
Well, what does Nancy have to gain if by some stretch of our imaginations Cheney and Bush were to both resign, or be convicted and removed from office?
I think she’ll go right along with the Articles and get them into the process, just as soon as she can.
Ah, yes - President Pelosi. Has quite a different ring to it. Rolls off the tongue so easily.
I don’t think this has a chance of getting Mr. Cheney or Mr. Bush out of office, but unfortunately it’s going to rather paralyze the White House with mounds of subpoenae and depositions.
I’m certain Mr. Kunicinich will be pleased with his accomplishment, no matter what the outcome.
sorry all - couldn’t help it responding. I should’ve just ignored.
Shouldn’t Kucinich also impeach everyone on this long list of quotes ?
For starters….Madame Speaker
“Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There’s no question about that.”
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
During an interview on “Meet The Press”
November 17, 2002
http://www.accuracy.org/newsrelease.php?articleId=375
Kucinich
They may get Cheney, but they will not kick G.W. out of office.
Pelosi is next in line if they take out George and Dick.
The Pantsuited Empress Cankles the First will never allow another woman to usurp her rightful throne. She has a destiny, and she will never, ever, let anybody stand in its way, not even another female Democrat.
What’s going to happen (if anything happens at all) is a replay of Billy Jeff 1998, where Bush is impeached and has that smear on his record, but is not kicked out of office.
Which one of you newbies let the troll in?
Don’t feed the troll.
Bush Corrupt?
Not according to John Edwards.
Bush did not lie
Fat tone,
I have always enjoyed that long list of liars.
What a total abuse of constitutional power. I guess the dems have to do something to appease their far left supporters.
I am perusing this over my morning coffee. And I am so very much looking forward to reading DU and other sites to see what they say. I am sure it will run the gamut from “Thank God!” to “The revolution has begun!” When the effort fails they will of course go back to normal ranting about the fix being in. LOL!
soap - actually I think lgm really does believe what he said. He’s just plainly rather uninformed about facts and stuff. Although when your worldview is there is no such thing as an absolute, and no source of absolutes…then truth is whatever you want it to be at the moment.
And we all know that this applies to everyone but the Clintons.
As long as the Dems are wasting their time trying to impeach, that means they won’t have as much time to pursue their looney agenda. Every cloud has a silver lining!
As to the impeachments themselves, you have to have proof of a “high crime or misdemeanor”, such as lying under oath like Slick Willy. Where’s the beef, Dems?
The UFO-spotter will hold a press conference at 3pm Eastern.
Believe it or not conservatives have spotted UFOs too :=) Barry Goldwater loved to talk to his pilot buddies about them.
Republicans should come up with a skit that depicts an impeachment proceeding against an exhumed FDR.
Yep … they were “inundated” with callers … must have been more than 10 callers I would have to assume …
as for Clinton the Great …
The only wars that Clinton waged were against the American people in places like Ruby Ridge and WACO, along with terrorizing small Cuban children (Elian Gonzales, whose mother died to get him out of Cuba) in order to score points with Castro so he could be used as a communist poster child.
Yet he did nothing to respond to the first WTC bombing or the USS Cole bombing, refused Bin Laden when he was offered to us as a prisoner and would not let us take him out when we had him in our sites because of “collateral damage” concerns.
When he wasn’t busy with interns, he was too busy with his UN cronies dropping bombs from several miles up in Kosovo … where we still have troops many years later … (I seem to recall a promise they would be home by Christmas) …
This was a much higher level of failure to perform the duties of his office than anything that has happened during the current administration …
“Republicans should come up with a skit that depicts an impeachment proceeding against an exhumed FDR.”
YAFers…get on it!
If Cheney is removed from office after a trial in the Senate, Bush gets to pick his successor, just as Nixon picked Ford to replace Spiro Agnew. Not that this is likely to happen, since the whole impeachment process will last longer than Cheney’s remaining time in office. Indeed, this length of time will be enough for the loony left to thoroughly tarnish mainstream Democrats.
No kidding….revisionists piss me straight off…….
Impeachment should be taken off the table and reserved for only the worst offenses. Anything else looks like political gamesmanship and that destroys the seriousness of impeachment.
However, anyone who thinks that Vice President Cheney didn’t exaggerate and, frankly, lie on the raod to Iraq is absolutely kidding themselves. Even if Iraq did have chemical weapons (and they did, courtesy of the Reagan administration), that doesn’t excuse the hype surrounding the war. Iraq was not working to build a nuclear weapon, they weren’t a reasonable threat to our allies, and, most importantly, they were not a safe haven for al-Queda. Hamas, yes. Al-Queda, no.
A case for invasion could have been made on its merits. I wouldn’t have supported it either way, but I’m sure the majority of the country would have disagreed with me. But that wasn’t good enough for the administration and the legislators (on the left and right) who bought into this hook, line, and sinker. The exaggerations going into Iraq put our security at risk. Surely that’s good for at least a censure.
Nice try Rusty - but you can’t prove the negative. How do you KNOW that Saddam wasn’t doing any of the things you claim he wasn’t doing?
This is utterly hilarious.
How many video links are out there in which major democrats (Gore, Clinton) discuss how WMD’s were in the hands of Saddam? Yeah, I really bet Cheney had everything to do with that.
Rant, go!
This is an important time for republicans and I think we’re missing something significant. We’re all focused on the Presidential seat but I have yet to see a great deal of discussion and planning to re-take congress and the senate. All that these idiots have been able to do is point fingers and shove pork into bills that may’ve once been reasonable, turning this congress into a useless waste. I laugh every time Bush vetoes something - the congress wanted so badly to have a lame duck president yet he’s managed to prevent them from ruining this nation.
Then, of course, they point fingers at the republicans for things and hide behind children and the elderly.
I honestly don’t care who gets the presidency as long as it’s a FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE republican with, most importantly, a republican majority house and senate.
Re-take Congress, 2008!
Rant, off!
Rusty,
See #41 “long list of quotes” and try again.
Chap coming to Rusty’s defence in 5…4…3…
Repeat after me.
Scud
-lgm
It’s ironic then, that the corrupt branch of the govt. (congress) is the one filing articles of impeachment.
Rusty,
click the link inj my first post and be informed.
Soap - how dare you consider that a reasonable threat. You have to remember that the danger of Atta and the boys wasn’t when they got into the US and overstayed , or when they went to terrorist training or when they were planning the attack, or when they were getting flight training or even when they were boarding the flights out of Boston, it was only an imminent threat after they hit the building (and maybe not even then?)
I went out of my way to make sure I threw in the Dems too. Granted they were presented with bad intelligence. But very few of them questioned that intelligence.
Because we’ve been able to establish the things Saddam was and wasn’t doing since the invasion. It turned out our original intelligence, which Cheney is thought to have manipulated, was way off. There was no nuclear program and the WMDs were primitive. No link to al-Queda could be found.
Again, I know very well that Iraq had WMDs. We gave them to Saddam and he used them on his fellow citizens.
Tangent: I know a lot of people on this site love Reagan. Why would you think so highly of an administration that provided dangerous weaponry to both Iran and Iraq? I know hindsight is 20/20 and all, but, sheesh. If Bill Clinton had done that you would have crucified him.
Soap-box,
SCUDs? Really? Does that mean we can invade any and all “bad actors” that happen to have missiles?
Just want to make sure I understand you. If I use a “primitive” weapon to kill someone, that’s somehow different than using a “modern/high tech” one? I think you’re just as dead with either.
Interesting thing here is that the VPs comments were all to reporters. They were NOT taken while under oath…
So, even if he lied, he is NOT perjuring himself.
And there was a case recently decided where it is quite all right for politicians to lie… was decided out West somewhere I think… they overturned a law saying they had to tell the truth.
So, where is the “High Crime”?
As to the underlieing charge… I believe the Bush adminis still sitting on classified files of where that stuff went… but does not want to release it due to the destabilizing affect on the already volitile mid east… it would have forced there hand into a larger war…
Just like they sat on Iranian involvement in Iraq… and still sit on Saudi involvement (1/2 of all foreign fighters in Iraq are Saudi)….
However, that data WILL come out under these circumstances…. and one reason Pelosi does not want impeachment hearings is she KNOWS the data exists…. Kuchy does not…
It’s true that Bill Clinton was caught doing something illegal. Lots of things are illegal - J-walking, speeding. Some are more serious than others because they do more harm. Cheney and Bush started a war. Clinton impeded a Federal investigation by denying a lawful but legal consensual sexual encounter. Unlike the Libby investigation, Clinton’s lie did not actually harm the investigation.
And will somebody please admit that no WMDs were found. There were useless residuals of incompletely destroyed ten year old chemical warheads (Saddam had used them ten years ago when Clinton said he did).
lgm…please read and comprehend. Rusty even a few posts ago says there are WMD’s. And some have been found.
Further - as has been pointed out - Saddam’s behavior indicated he was hiding something (and I doubt the “secret” was items on his shopping list for his wives for their birthdays)
Rusty … you seem to think Billy Boy didn’t give away weaponry and such … sorry to burst your bubble … but he negated in his first months the long standing bans on selling the latest US weapons and technology to countries like China, Russia and others …
so now they have the latest computer systems and more …
they reverse engineered all those items and have made their own modifications and improvements …
they are now using that knowledge against us in the world markets on all levels …
where do you think all of the knockoffs and counterfeit versions of products come from? …
My cousin Richard not only saw UFOs, but he was on a first name basis with a Martian named G’no Tai. What a pity Richard died. He could have made a great staffer for Kucinich.
After reading Dennis Lawson’s description of the planned conference call with Dennis Kucinich I am bemused bewildered and bothered.
First and foremost: does Mr. Lawson really expect us to believe that there were an “incredible number of people on the call,” where the steady stream of dings created noise for a half hour.” This sure sounds like bull-pucky to me.
Second: This supposed tsunami of “dings” caused a SNAFU and no-one on the call could hear their vaunted leader. But, a stroke of genius hit “No Strings” Denny Boy. He quickly and fortuitously called the intrepid Mr. Lawson, who then “held up one of my phones to another phone” so all of those waiting could hear the pearls of wisdom from wannabe President “UFO” - though with that steady stream of dings creating some much noise I’m not sure they how they could possibly hear anything. What does ring true is “ding-y” does describe most of Kucinich’s devotees.
Third: Mr. Lawson says his clever and resourceful thinking worked for “20 seconds, until the geniuses running the call to mute everyone except Dennis.” This meant, according to Mr. Lawson that while Kucinich “made a nice speech, I was the only one listening.” Now Kucinich speaking and only one person listening does seem par for the course.
So Kucinich and his team couldn’t successfully pull off a simple conference call, but they think he can be President. Good Lord!
Try again Rusty. This was your statement: “they weren’t a reasonable threat to our allies”.
Israel was really patient while the rest of the world sat and did nothing. So, by your statement, Israel is not one of our allies? Lobbing SCUDS was not an act of war? It was OUR efforts (talking with our ally - Israel) that kept Syria from getting nuked! So, by proxy, Iraq was a threat to Syria as well.
Care to keep this up?
Geez. If Nancy Pelosi becomes President, I’m going to look for Kucinich’s UFO and beg it to take me away from here.
And no Democrats believed this? To wit:
John Kerry, 2002
Al Gore, 2002.
Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd, 2002.
The New York Times, repeatedly from 1999-2000
The Washington Post, 2001.
So who’s lying? Why are the Democrats - who insisted Saddam had WMDs until saying otherwise proved politically lucrative - not held accountable? And why has no one on the left even explored the possibility that the WMDs were moved prior to the invasion?
and post number 73 wins.
Keith Ellison
Get used to that name being on all Anti-American, anti-conservative, anti-Christian bills.
Did I miss something? When did Iraq shoot SCUDs at Israel?
Oh, wait. You mean in 1991? Yeah, that was an act of war. As was invading Kuwait. That’s why we declared war on them. That war had already been fought. We won. Big time.
You seem to be arguing that the Iraqi invasion was a continuation of Desert Storm. That wasn’t the argument the current administration was making back in 2002 and 2003.
By your logic we should invade Argentina since they remain a credible threat to invade the Falkland Islands.
I don’t always agree w/Mr. Bush, but he’s our President…I’m proud to support him. The fringe in this country is a prime example of “this is your brain on drugs”. God be with us………
Rusty, we never declared war on Iraq….ever.
Quit arguing with Rusty. Don’t feed trolls, especially ones that think they sound smart and really aren’t.
I think Dennis has screwed his party, and I don’t think the Republicans shouldn’t fight this at all.
1. If Nancy doesn’t support this, she’ll upset her own party. The Republicans can claim that she didn’t support it because she knew the claims were false.
2. If it passes, then all the truths will come out during the actual proceeding. The world will see that no crime was committed.
However, I think we should all admit that Bush/Cheney shouldn’t have used WMDs alone to sell this war. They should have known that it would give the left too much power if nothing was found. Even if they were confident that WMDs would be found; they still gambled and lost.
We are in the midst of a world wide war involving 25 to 50 countries, and all the Democrats can do is try to undermine that war. My only hope is that 2008 is a full repudiation of these radical leftists.
Chamberlain would be so proud, and Churchill would be so right. Too bad that in the public school system nobody learns from history.
Rusty,
Your statement (one more time):“they weren’t a reasonable threat to our allies”
No! I am arguing your statement. Iraq was not a reasonable threat to our allies. Israel was under a constant threat just because they are Israel. Thanks for the reminder of Kuwait.
The SCUD attacks were unprovoked and so was the invasion of Kuwait.
But, hey, they have never been “a reasonable threat to our allies”.
Im not interested in arguing with Rusty because I know he is just spewing the usual liberal stuff, but I am just so intrigued as to where his so called facts are coming from. The fact that he smeared Reagan on a topic that has little to do with that time period is beyond me.
Mercutio,
Sorry. I should take my own advice - eh?
Actually, the invasion of Iraq was a continuation of Desert Storm, by Saddam’s breach of 17 resolutions put inplace by and after the cease fire agreement.
Even Harry reid said such…
“We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict.”
Senator Harry Reid (Democrat, Nevada)
Addressing the US Senate
October 9, 2002
Congressional Record, p. S10145
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/
cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=S10145&dbname=2002_record
Go ahead let them impeach or try to impeach Cheney. If I were Bush & Cheney, I would let it go and then have Cheney resign, so that Bush can appoint a new VP. Someone like say Guiliani or Romney. They can’t impeach either one of those; and then if I were Bush I would say: “Go ahead now impeach me, cause then the VP (running for Presidency) will become the President….
let’s see what happens then? it would make it really exciting to see Hillary try to run against an encumbent. Especially, if it were Guiliani….LOL
I am so embarrased (not surprised, mind you, just embarrased) that my CongressionalMoonbat is a co-sponsor of this nonsense. I have written to tell him what I think of his involvement in this idiocy, but hold out little hope that it will matter.
He is one who is owned, body and soul, by the CAIR’s, MoveOn.org’s, DailyKos’, etc. His vision is of a new Amerika - a perfect Socialist Utopia where a paternalist government reigns over a collective of passive workers.
The real wonder here is how the Congression approval rating is as high as it currently is…
Why aren’t we spending more time on finding out why our intelligence was so bad about WMD’s in Iraq? All our intelligence sources in Iraq lied to us. Are these the same people who are now in charge in the “new Iraq”? How can we trust anything we are told when they were so dishonest about the weapons? Rather than going after Vice-President Cheney for believing the same things the Congress believed, let’s find out how we were so deceived, so that it won’t happen again.
mytake…it wasn’t just our intelligeence….the intel was world stipulated intel, spiked with “first hand ” accounts by Arab leaders…….such as Mubarek.
Hey again….WHAT ABOUT THE 500+ munitions we FOUND loaded with chemical agents???? If they were so useless because they were “old”, then why don’t we just store them in Kennedy’s basement. They werren’t dangerous right?
There WERE WMD’s in Iraq and besides, that was never the sole reason given to invade but leave it to the left to try to find one thread to support their warped logic.
And yes….what about the stockpiles being moved? There is more than a little evidence that that probably happened.
Reagan provided Iraq with chemical weapons in the 1980s while they were at war with Iran. This is not some liberal moonbat crazy talk. This is fact. Reagan, or at least his administration, was of course secretly and illegally providing Iran with weapons at the same time. Also unassailable fact. Any discussion on whether Iraq had chemical weapons should mention this.
And, soap-box, Iraq was not a credible threat to our allies. (Save for their support of Hamas. But if we attacked every country that had ties to Hamas we’d be in way over our heads.) They were at one point a threat and we absolutely stomped them in battle.
Twelve years later with no attacks and they’re still perceived as a credible threat worthy of invasion? Really? As I said before, what’s stopping us from invading Argentina? They are putting British interests at risk in the Falklands!
Rusty.
You may think that the Gulf war was won and over with. But Saddam never surrendered. There was a ceasefire which he violated continuously for 12 years. So strictly speaking that war was not over till we went in again and took him out. A ceasefire is what it says a ‘ceasing of fire’, but he did not cease firing! Learn you history a bit better than this. Oh but I forget that history is being rewritten as we speak!
Rusty, no matter how you want to spin it, the support for the ousting of saddam was overtly bi partisan…….so Kucinich has lots of splainin to do, as to why he singles out Cheney.
Would he be impeaching Weslet Clark, had he become president ?
Wesley Clark, 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, discusses Saddam’s WMD:
WESLEY CLARK: He does have weapons of mass destruction.
MILES O’BRIEN: And you could say that categorically?
WESLEY CLARK: Absolutely.
MILES O’BRIEN: All right, well, where are, where is, they’ve been there a long time and thus far we’ve got 12 empty casings. Where are all these weapons?
WESLEY CLARK: There’s a lot of stuff hidden in a lot of different places, Miles, and I’m not sure that we know where it all is. People in Iraq do. The scientists know some of it. Some of the military, the low ranking military; some of Saddam Hussein’s security organizations. There’s a big organization in place to cover and deceive and prevent anyone from knowing about this.
Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate
During an interview on CNN
January 18, 2003
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0301/18/smn.05.html
Were, yes. But nothing substantial after we invaded. Maybe they moved them to Syria, maybe they’re still hidden, maybe they really were destroyed. Who knows. Our intelligence did a terrible job of finding out before invading.
And part of the problem with the intelligence was that this administration was unquestionably looking for a reason to invade Iraq. Cheney was willing to show everyone the intelligence that supported an invasion while downplaying the intelligence that said quite clearly that Iraq was nowhere close to nuclear capability and that their WMDs weren’t operational and that Iraq had no ties with al-Queda.
And there’s the problem. We were willing to listen to anyone or anything that would support an invasion. The fault lies with the administration, the intelligence community, and the legislators (Dems included) who bought that crock.
And Fat Tone, I agree the impeachment legislation is ridiculous. There’s a lot of people to blame for this fiasco. Cheney is on the top of the list, but by no means should he be singled out.
Hey Rusty…..oh one of no memory
But they were no threat to us, our allies, or the region. And Bush lied.
Try again dude.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
So many of my Democrat friends(yes some of my friends are idiots)use the argument that since the weapons weren’t found,Bush was lying.They can’t think far enough ahead to realize that W has had four years to plant all the evidence he would need.The fact that weapons weren’t found therefore proves that he did not lie-he honestly believed the weapons were there-I still do.
Rusty, for fairness’ sake…I believe that the war in Iraq was way more convoluted than just the WMD rationale….that was simply a part of it. And the admin went about ousting saddam all wrong. Granted, it was an unprecedented military victory…..however, the aftermath of allowing the insurgency was more egregious ( IMHO ) than being wrong about the presence of WMD.
Ultimately, ousting saddam was about being a presence in the Middle East for the long term, with permanent military establishments ala Korea, Japan and Europe, and the tactical value of such a presence, not being tallied for decades to come.
It’s not imperialism, inasmuch as it’s policing. I dare say had we marched to baghdad in 1991, and ousted saddam then, we would NOT be having this discussion today…..
I don’t believe the intelligence was manipulated by us (Cheney). I believe it was manipulated by those Iraqis who wanted Saddam out of power. This was part of their propaganda war to get their country back.
I don’t know if you’re aware of this Rusty, but the list of people that bought that “crock” included every government on Earth, including the ones that were against invasion. It also includes President Bill Clinton, who signed the law making Saddam’s removal an official US policy goal years before Bush took office. If you look back at how the debate went in 2002-2003 there was no one taking the position that Saddam didn’t have weapons. Indeed, many people opposed invasion based on the fear he’d use such weapons if attacked.
The notion that people only believed it because they wanted a pretext to invade ignores the actual history.
Mark my words: If the Dems try to impeach Bush and/or Cheney, they will lose the Presidential election.
Thanks,hatelibs:I forgot about the ones that were found.My bad.
Rusty said
“Nothing substantial after we invaded”
How on God’s earth could any President take the chance after 911 that a nut like Saddam would share what he had with a terrorist organization? And 500 munitions (found AFTER) we invaded isn’t exactly something to ignore.
Saddam refused to comply with the demands of the entire world for over 10 years and was hell bent on controlling the Persion Gulf. The WMD’s were only part of the picture. Remember that he allowed AlQaeda save refuse in Iraq after we send them running from Afganistan. Saying Iraq wasn’t a threat is ludicrious…period.
mytake……Chalabi.
Thanks hatelibs,
I have been telling my lib college profs and classmates about this since I got here.
Still pathetic that people would rather believe a lie from the media, rather than from people who have served and fought in OIF.
GSP
Exactly
Blues…
You are welcome. I can’t believe that there is still the excepted perception that there weren’t any. And AFTER we invaded.
The problem is that the Bush Administration has never communicated the bigger picture well with the American people. They are fighting a hostile press and an uneducated population but after 911, no President could sit back and hope the intellegence was wrong. The prevention approach has worked despite the mistakes handling the war. It sure beats cleaning up after another attack here. And that cannot be argued.
Good news for Dennis the Menace. Mars is only about 55 million miles away from Earth at this time. So if he can successfully uplink his broadcast to the mother ship, they can relay it back to Mars in about 5 minutes. In plenty of time for W-KOS (the NBC affiliate on Mars) to make it the lead on the 6 pm broadcast.
What a colossal waste of tax payer money!
Just as in the courts they have penalties for vexatious litigants for filing ridiculous lawsuits, they should have the same rules for our House and Senate with these absurdities .
Vexatious Legislation = Utilizing our House and Senate to create measures and hearings to use as diversions for political purposes, which create a colossal waste of tax payer money. Any one caught doing this should be subject to reparations to tax payers for each and every count.
Nonsense.
Rusty,
You said that you were not in favor of the war in 2003.
Please answer this, were you in favor of continuing or ending each of the following in 2003?
1. The 24/7 enforcement of the United Nations trade sanctions?
2. The 24/7 of the United Nations northern no-fly zone?
3. The 24/7 of the United Nations southern no-fly zone?
Mark my words, as soon as the dimocraps see the numbers start to plunge over this, they will disavow Dennis Kucinich. He is so lower tier.
P.S. The dimocrap Presidential candidates will be strangely silent!
If I start seeing a lot of “Impeach Cheney” stickers around I’m getting an “Impeach Clinton” sticker. Oh wait that’s old news. An “Impeach Hillary” sticker….same crimes as Cheney
Iraq was given enough warning of our invasion to have had plenty of time to smuggle weapons out of the country.
I keep thinking of Iraqi behaviour during the 12 years they were operating under UN sanctions. Instances of refusing to allow inspectors admittance to sites they wished to see. Claiming a gate on the back side of fence surrounding one of their compunds had been locked for years, despite fresh tire tracks in the grass, etc.
Saddam’s offer of $25,000 to families of Palestinian suicide bombers was ample evidence of his attitude toward terrorists.
I’ve always thought the invasion of Iraq had a twofold purpose-a short range goal of ridding the world of a dangerous dictator; and a long range goal of increasing pressure on Iran by putting the US military on both sides of them.
So, does that mean that every single one of the Democrats who said the exact same things that are claimed in these Articles of Impeachment dating all the way back to the mid Nineties can and will be impeached out of their offices as well? Will we be seeing Kucinich, so as not to appear to be a hypocrite and in the interest of fairness and equality, file papers on the likes of John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton etc., for having made the exact same claims concerning WMD’s and nuclear weapons dating prior to Bush even being in office?
After all, Cheney and Bush was using the same Intel as their false god Bill was using, and in fact, even used the same people to deliver the assessments.
I really hope and pray that this is the final nail in the coffin for these insane people on the Left. If this actually does go forward, the simple fact that there will be witnesses and evidence brought forward to finally and once and for all shut these idiots up may actually be a good thing, annd we all know that there isn’t a chance in Hell that they will have the required votes to convict let alone throw them out. All this will do is guarantee that come this time next year, all those seats they won and were so proud of will revert back to Republican hands and it will be a long time before people alow them into power again.
Ret…
“All this will do is guarantee that come this time next year, all those seats they won and were so proud of will revert back to Republican hands and it will be a long time before people alow them into power again.”
For the sake of this country and the world, let’s pray you are right!
“Strength through peace”.He didn’t see a UFO,he lives in one.
Funny, that parodic ending. Funnier that if any one of us had made that video, we’d be called haters or racists (they’d figure a way to work that one in somehow).
I guess Syria was so technologically brilliant as to be able to move forward with a nuclear program, so far that they actually had NORKs consulting on the project. How did they go so far so fast?
I wonder where the cornerstones for that program came from? Where did the technological expertise come from?
There are still millions of pages of classified Iraqi documents that haven’t been sorted through about the WMD programs under Saddam’s various bureaucratic controls.
And what kind of idiot would divulge to the public any sensitive information about what we know just to keep a treasonous batch of Moon Loons off their butts with trivial arguments about impeachment?
Keep secrets and retain strategic advantages- like, uh, being able to wipe out a Syrian nuke project before Iran and Syria knew what hit them.
These yo-yo’s are underestimating the US and Israel because they don’t know what we know about their subterfuges (and centrifuges for that matter).
There is a fundamental difference between keeping secrets for the American people and keeping secrets from the American people. I think the former is where Cheney will come out a hero in all of this era of Condi horsecrap that is going on.
Kucinich actually cites the freaking State Department (you know the guys who can’t speak Arabic or Farsi!) to support his articles of impeachment.
They are two hours ahead of baboons in terms of their ability to evolve intel about a geopolitical situation that is so obviously out of their control.
There is still debate going on over the transfer of infrastructural assets to Syria. How much and when. Is it being reported by the MSM? Nope. Because the jury has already decided the “facts” for us. One more reason why their readership is going down: they insert themselves into the stories.
Can the NYT even report on WMDs since their involvement in the Plame charade?
I hope the impeachment goes on and Cheney lays out things that the public does not know. The carping of Moon Loons is no reason to let our enemies know what we know.
Why do you think Pelosi has taken impeachment off the table? She is many things, including traitorous, but perhaps not as big an ass as Leonard Nimoy’s love child- Dennis Kucinich.
Kucinich has motive and opportunity for this debacle: raise his poll numbers before Iowa and New Hampshire so he can continue his ridiculous facade of being a perennial presidential candidate.
A total and vacuous moron.
And as for the crowd that insists that Bush and Cheney “lied”- this is not some playground bully saga where Billy lies to his friends about taking little Sarah’s candy.
The Bush Doctrine has made a fundamental break from the string of Presidents since Truman who catered to these Alpha Hotels in the middle east region. Saddam had to go. Game over. Iran is next. Syria. Next. Hezbollah next.
In the meantime, Condi is given enough diplomatic play for the US to say “See? It doesn’t work.” Just like sanctions and UN threats didn’t work against Saddam.
Game over.
Kucinich’s articles of impeachment will implode under the duress that scrutiny by finer legal minds bring to bear on them.
He actually uses the words “Press Reports” to corroborate some of these articles. Duh!
Kucinich holds Cheney responsible for 650,000 civilian deaths since the invasion. Good luck with that. “WAAAAA! He took all the candy from everybodyyyyY!!!!!”
Can’t we find a city in America to give Kucinich so he can wreck its economy for a decade or so, just like he did as Mayor of Cleveland. Talk about contempt for the rabble of flyover country.
They love him here in Berkeley. And the copper hat crowd is behind Kucinich’s socialist boondoggle of creating a US Department of Peace.
“How do you know it wouldn’t work?” they ask. Just the same way they ask “How can you say for sure that MAN is NOT creating global warming?”
Between wet brain, THC psychosis and purple haze, the Kucinich and Code Pink crowd are singing their swan songs.
They are in their mid 50s and above- if they fail to have their impeachment and the war in Iraq succeeds in its mission they will fall out of politics in “great disillusionment”- their typical funk when they don’t get their way.
Uh, yes tons of them were found:
1) 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
In a joint Energy and Defense Department operation, 1.77 metric tons of low-enriched uranium and approximately 1000 highly radioactive sources were secured from Iraq’s former nuclear research facility, packaged and then airlifted on June 23, the press statement said.
“This operation was a major achievement for the Bush Administration’s goal to keep potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists,” Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham said in the statement. “It also puts this material out of reach for countries that may seek to develop their own nuclear weapons. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm
2) 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents
U.S. troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said Saturday.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html
3) 17 chemical warheads containing cyclosarin (a nerve agent five times more deadly than sarin gas)
“Laboratory tests showed the presence in them of cyclosarin, a very toxic gas, five times stronger than sarin and five times more durable,” Bieniek told Poland’s TVN24 at the force’s Camp Babylon headquarters.
“If these warheads, which were still usable, were used on a military base like Camp Babylon, they would have caused unforeseeable damage.” http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/07/02/international1018EDT0516.DTL
and:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124576,00.html
4) Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas. “Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 “highly radioactive sources” were also removed.
The material was taken from a former nuclear research facility on 23 June, after being packaged by 20 experts from the US Energy Department’s secret laboratories.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm
5) Roadside bombs loaded with mustard and “conventional” sarin gas, assembled in binary chemical projectiles for maximum potency
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
Dennis’ “news anchor” was more convincing when she was pushing Ditech home loans on TV.
It didn’t take Liberals long to revise post-9/11 history, huh? I love watching Rusty and LGM argue their points using nutroot fabrications of reality. Amazing…it was only 4 years ago yet people have all but forgotten the facts.
Bear - as always, excellent post, my friend!
I loved Kucinich on SNL!
30! saw that. very funny. im with ya!
Ah, the sleeping Bear is awake and brings it home - again.
Great post Bear!
Seriously, don’t they have better things to do? It isn’t like he will be VP again this time around or something.
Maybe it is just me but I don’t see the point in attacking an administration that is on its way out the door.
Feebz- Bon journo, Bella! Gratzie!
bon giorno, piasan!
Thanks, Soap. A little hair of the BearDawg for Dennis the Menace.
I just don’t see how it’s credible to go after Cheney for impeachment, given the large bi-partisen effort for the war. Impeachment here is political gamesmanship, and a complete was of time and money. I have nothing good to day about Cheney(except he never tried to disown his lesbian daughter or negatively judge her in public), and history will properly place this administration for the disaster that it has been. That being said, impeachment is wrong and hypocritical.
Do you folks remember those polls from the start of the war, where many Americans thought Saddam was behind 9/11? There are a lot of stupid sheep in this country, but it certainly isn’t all of Cheney’s fault. Colin Powell had the track record and credibility to speak up back then, but he refused to do so. His reputation is forever stained. Saddam was an evil leader, but the world is full of evil leaders that we have no plans on waging war against. Osama Bin Laden is still alive and well, likely in Pakistan(our “ally”), and is planning his next 9/11.
i spell Italian words like Spanish….DOH!!!!!
I am not sure if saying Powell “refused to do so” is a fair statement. Mr Powell is a pretty decent individual. I believe he was getting his information like everyone else was, from the CIA.
#132 - bear, its tricky. ive taken both in school. they sound similar…spelling is different. (feebs talking about spelling…BWWWHHHAAAA HA HA HA)
Yep Bear, but you spelled DOH right
I believe Bush tackled the issue of Congress waisting time on B.S. investigations last week.
lgm I think your mistaken Harding and teapot dome, Bush Admin. are not even close to corruption unlike the Clinton Admin.
Clinton Corruption:
http://prorev.com/legacy.htm
I think some people should be checked for Altzheimer’s.
Bear, that was awesome.
#118 RetFireman…I have to “object” to one thing in your comment. You said “once and for all shut them up”. If only we could be so lucky - but they have never let facts get in the way of their feelings before.
That number is greatly inflated and most likely more trumped up shit pulled out of the ass of a democratic spin meister. The bodies would be waist deep in the streets, if so. A good article on that subject is here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1469636.ece
Incidently, the ball park figures for Saddam Hussein’s body counts run from 300,000 to a million, including the Iran-Iraq war. That includes the murders,executions,and “disappearances”.
did someone say pizza?
oh, piasan
nevermind.
CRus,
It would take a wrecking ball full of facts to go through their house and they still probably wouldnt get it.
Oh yeah, I’d like to add that I’m ashamed to have to admit that the little moonbat is from my hometown. He was a disastrous embarassment as mayor, and he’s even more so now. I guess every village has to have an idiot….
*feebs giving AJ death stare…
The more I learn about Cheney the more I am glad he is VP for Bush.
9/11 hammered this administration in so many ways. I wonder what malarkey John Kerry would be peddling to the American people right now.
That the administration has been a disaster in domestic affairs (not the economy) I won’t argue that point. But like any admin it is a mixed bag at worst.
But this administration has muddled its way through a very difficult and new kind of warfare, to a point where the next president will reap some significant benefits- if HE can listen to our generals and admirals who have actually killed enemies in battle; not the Clinton-era careerists who have choked alot of the air out of the President’s immediate surroundings.
The key to the next decade will be less about who is President and more about who the PResident chooses as Secretary of Defense.
I am glad Cheney still has a little over a year to run the table in the Middle East.
As for our little friend, Kucinich, may he find his ignominious place in the dust bin of history.
Bear #142…I concur.
Fat Tone: We haven’t met. The pleasure is mine.
Aj: Pizza tonite at North Beach Pizza here in Berkeley. A politically incorrect sausage, pepperoni, green pepper, feta, and jalapeno MONSTA!!!!
Image: Bear1909 putting a pair of pilot shades on the feebz delicate brow lest the death glare strain reach critical levels of pain and suffering for the aJ mano.
Zachary’s on Solono Ave. My favorite!
*sniff sniff…i miss pizza.
AJ, be afraid - be very afraid.
Wow. I swore I was not going to watch that video. I see the writers beat the deadline before the strike.
People are buying this? Dern evolution. Crap like this make you wonder if we are evolving INTO apes.
AJ, hand me a banana and a slice.
how far from the airport bear?
hehe…
It’s pretty pathetic Kucinich and Co. can’t see to give our own V.P. the same benefit of the doubt as they did real live terrorists, in Assad and Mahmoud.
This is a pathetic and disgusting man — a partisan hack who cares only for politics, not the good of the country.
Richard,
Watch the video. He is doing it for you and me - LOL.
Hack - spitooy
PBoilermaker! Glad to read it. I decided to save that one.
OT: aj it’s about 5 miles as the crow flies on University at Sacramento (1 block north). Do you want google coordinates?
Zachary’s on Solano- i love their Pizza it’s always too crowded though. Bear gets testy in line. Not pretty.
Back on topic: I cannot imagine how a human being goes through multiple heart surgeries, lives on the verge of having the big one blowing up their heart- and stay in the game like Dick Cheney has done.
And besides getting married to somebody clearly above the level of his own goulash city gene pool, what has Dennis Kucinich actually achieved in Congress. (along with Pelosi Galore, Lee and other
do nothings.)
fixed it.
I think Cheney should be impeached because he cherry-picked evidence against Iraq while omitting exculpatory evidence. I feel he helped get us into an unnecessary war and I hate to say this but I feel he has the blood of all the soldiers and Iraqi people killed, wounded and tortured on his hands…
I do not say this proudly; I say this as a disappointed Christian conservative who prays for our troops, our country and Iraqi children daily.
While I don’t generally have much good to say about Steny Hoyer, it sounds like he’s got it right this time.
Yeah, like address continued funding of our troops, doing something appropriate about illegal immigration, reducing corruption in their own party, etc.
Wherefore quote: What an Idiot- unquote
To wit: This guy wants to be President???
Bear……this is a blog I share…..
drop by.
I actually wish they’d let him proceed. That way at least more people would get to see how ridiculous the whole notion is. Just read the allegations. Nothing Cheney’s alleged to have said is really even false, let alone a “lie.” The “articles” rely on various opinions that pointed to different conclusions, like a DIA assessment, and “findings” that were based on evidentiary standards the intelligence community could never meet.
I’d like to see them embarrassed by this, rather than it look like there really are impeachable offenses that have occurred and that Cheney’s being protected because of politics.
southernboy #157. And exactly what alternative do/did you see to taking out Saddam?
They will table it for fear of having to go on the rolls as a “yea” or “nay” vote.
They are mostly all cowards.
Soap = nay (as in cut the crap)
A Christian conservative who WANTS to impeach out VP?
Am I on the right site?
He was containable, just like other autocrats are (Ahmadinejad, Musharraf, Kim Jong-Il, numerous African warlords, etc.).
I feel so much blood and treasure was wasted for no real reason, or at least a reason that is not readily apparent to me. I feel that we do not go to war to liberate other people, especially considering we torture the people we claim to be liberating.
Let’s see if I follow the logic of Rusty the Troll here.
Hussein had WMD, but they were okay because they were primitive and old, but they were really really bad because Reagan gave them to him, but they were okay because Bill Clinton ordered magic Tomahawk missile strikes that destroyed all of them, but they were really really bad because they killed thousands of Iranians, but they were okay because Saddam didn’t have any connection to Al-Qaeda anyway.
Whew! I think I got whiplash.
This would be hilarious if they FY08 spending bills were already on the Presidents desk. I’m really less than impressed with this little gelflin and the do nothing Democrats.
southernboy: “he was containable” Want to make sure I got it straight. Just like Hitler and Hirohito?
Am I the only one who thinks there’s a good chance this clown (Kucinich) will join forces with Ron Paul in a third party bid? I’m not saying it will happen, I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised.
Southernboy…..who has been tortured ? Could you be referring to Abu Ghraib ? If so, I believe the perpetrators are in jail….thus trumping any notion of such behavior being policy of the USA.
southernboy @ 157 said:
Moby.
Southernboy - We torture? where? proof please.
conservativesRus said:
The dinners at Guantanamo! The rice pilaf served with the chicken WAS AT ROOM TEMPERATURE!
conservativesRus said (#166):
Before WWII, Germany and Japan were among the greatest industrial powers on earth. Japan had conquered much of China. Iraq in 2002 was nothing by comparison. It had been contained for a decade and easily could have been contained for decades more
thank you angry….I also forgot the color TV had static on the picture one night during the CBS news.
Fat Tone: I’ll be a daily reader. Like the format. The underuse of photos is cool too. Easy on the eyes. Great use of white space. Great reads.
Thanks for the heads up, mano.
Why must you be logical and factual?
Bear…thanks…spread the word……
Nope, not referring to Abu Ghraib. That incident, while bad, was just a symptom of a systemic pattern of abuse and torture permitted by the chain of command.
Pictures are worth a thousand words sometimes.
Southernboy….go ahead and lay the proof on us…..
Just as a heads up, even waterboarding, which was admittedly used on three prisoners, including KSM, has been taken off of the board by this admin…so what is this policy of torure that you speak of ?
All ears here.
Southern - #177…you didn’t give proof, you only made an allegation.
I think waterboarding is torture. Why doesn’t the government?
Who would Jesus torture?
Me thinks me smells a troll trying to make it sound like Christians are the problem.
Iraq - contained - BWAHHAAAAHHAAAAHA
Yep, they contained the UN and flew in the face of the world. I knew I smelled a troll.
Pure speculation. His influence in the UN had not been contained (Oil for Food). His influence in Palestine had not been contained (25 grand to families of homicidal bombers). His refusal to pay back a $10 billion loan to an Italian bank that he stole outright.
His murdering sons and their buddies raping and killing women in Iraq. (Whoops! What happens in Iraq stays in Iraq!)
Your use of the word “easily” betrays an absence, or at best- grossly deficient- understanding of how easy it was for the Iraqi people to endure what they still have difficulty speaking about openly in their country.
PS: Neither China nor Germany were sitting on world class supplies of the key resource for all industrial economies- OIL.
hey wait - I’m still trying to understand the notion of containment. I don’t think the League of Nations did very well. I don’t think United Nations has done very well. Seems to me containment was/is the policy of those bodies and IT DOESN”T WORK
Speaking of waterboarding (since you brought GOD into it) HE wiped the planet clear of all but 8 people with - you guessed it - water.
I can tell you who Jesus beat the crap out of when they made a mockery of the Temple.
Who would Jesus bomb?
Containment = APPEASEMENT
Southern Any statement that starts “I think…” is grossly deficient. What if I think something different. Who is to say your “think” is better than mine?
As far as what you think is torture, some kids think having to eat their spinach at dinner is torture too.
I think, therefore I am.
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.
Two cities with fire and brimstone.
Southernboy, you sure you are a Christian? Read your Bible and come back in a year.
I imagine he’d go straight to DNC headquarters. (But that’s only a guess because only he knows for sure.)
And Southernboy- isn’t asking these inane Jesus questions a backdoor way of judging those who walk differently from you in this world? (I am affording you a big concession here by ASSuming you walk the talk.)
A time for every season under Heaven.
Now go inside before you get rained on.
ROFL PeterX
Southernboy, maybe you should move to the middle east, so that you can “turn the other cheek “…after being beheaded.
Just rhetoric, I don’t wish for you to be killed….just showing the dichotomy of your stance.
Well, at least the aliens taught him how to read.
Cartesian Dualism? kess kuh say?
aj- the anal probing cleared his sinuses for him.
It’s a wide stance.
I think we’re just getting started on the list of punishment God has dealt the world along the way…
Seems to me the instructions to Israel was to wipe out the inhabitants of the land, kill every last one. Of course they didn’t do it and now look at their mess.
Just before 9/11, there was also talk of eliminating sanctions on Iraq because of poor starving Iraqi children (we Americans were starving them, not Saddam “Oil for Palaces” Hussein).
Could have done without that visual.
Actually it was the UN, not the US, that was starving the Iraqi people. The Americans were either incredibly naive or very optimistic when they claimed the Iraqi people would greet us as liberators. These are the people who (correctly) blame us for ditching them in the first Gulf War and (incorrectly) blame us for starving them out of food.
Southernboy…are you a republican senator in an airport bathroom per chance ?
Who would Jesus bomb?
Someone here hasn’t read Revelation, much less understood it.
Like I said before, we got us a Moby troll.
Isn’t it ironic that the demoncraps are declaring that Cheney did not protect the US citizens (violated the Constitution), YET…..they want to allow Illegals to come in and have free rein/open borders?
Isn’t THAT a violation??
Just had to say that.
lol
Actually, it was Saddam Hussein.
LOL! You’re not even American, GTHO moby.
- southernboy
They were neither naiive or optimistic. We WERE greeted as liberators. It’s only when security failed to improve, and when important utilities such as power/water/etc. failed to improve in short order that sentiment turned against us. Go back, watch the news clips. They handed us candy and flowers, and danced in the streets.
southernboy = Edwards
I’m with Southern Boy except for the torture issue, which seems like a broad generalization.
I think the Hirohito and Hitler comparisons are beyond off base for the reasons that LGM described, and of course he didn’t even need to explain how much of Europe Hitler had conquered.
“What happen in Iraq stay in Iraq”
Well yes,(WHEN IT COMES DICTATOR ATROCITIES AT HOME) unless in impacts our security interests. What happens in Darfur stays in Darfur(hell look at Africa), and Cuba, North Korea, eventually Russia. I’ll listen to a lot of arguement for the war, and many are good, but the whole “Saddam killed millions of Iraqies” card rings false and disingenuous. If that’s our new foreign policy doctrine, I guess we’ll be in perpetual war around the world.
lol
gayle, yep, and they dont care. but you knew that.
This guy is even more worthless than Rusty. I’m leaving the thread with this link, The Mother of All Connections, and y’all can have fun batting this moby around.
Whoops. The Mother of All Connections. DOH!
response to 209 gayle. sorry busy here today.
southern boy .. your professions of ‘knowing’ Jesus leaves me smelling a rat. democRAT… who thinks if he has read a little of the Bible he can use it to twist an argument. (satan’s done that for millenniums)
real christians can see through your ‘phony’ relationship with the bible, let alone with Jesus. I know that you think that Jesus would concern himself with the ‘earthly’ realm, when He came as King of the Spiritual. He himself said, there will be wars and rumor of wars.. He comes back.. and He comes back as a Warrior..
His disciple John had a revelation of Jesus after He (Jesus) ascended. His eyes were like fire. Devouring fire. He is a figure of War. Jesus is the leader of God’s Army. Yes, in the physical realm parallels the Spiritual Realm. Where The Angels of God war against Satan and his minions. The violence you see in the physical realm is just a mirror of the violence going on in the Spirit.
Get a clue. Jesus comes back to Conquer as a Warrior. Your lack of knowledge of the Bible astounds me. Smacks of someone who has taken things out of context, and spews them out thinking that Christians are going to be baffled. Maybe you assume they know as little as you do about the Risen Lord and the Word of God?
Jesus came as the Lamb the first time, but He returns as the Lion the second time. Come Lord Jesus Come…..
I support a Culture Of Life, as did Jesus Christ.
Image: Dennis Hopper pointing his gun at his hostages in “Red Rocks West” saying: “Oh!!! I get it. You think you’re better than me.”
southernboy, the jig is up.
Southernboy, as you support a culture of life, should you then support the elimination of the death cult that is radical islam.
The islamic radicals say it themselves….paraphrased, they “love death “……what’s a Christian to do, but help them attain their desires ?
LOL !!!
Culture of life - ROFL.
I’ll give this to boy, he is more intertaining than lgm.
With you all the way uhangtight. Be careful, you will get the bigot tag hung on you like I have.
/WAAAAAYYYY off topic
Soap may be a first time grandpa as soon as tonight! WOOOOHOOOO!
I support. I support. I support. I support.
In a world run by jock straps and bras perhaps you’d be in good company.
Christ didn’t “support”. “I am the Way, The Truth, and The Light”.
What is the point, southernboy?
Get behind me, southernboy.
Jesus, supported a culture of life? pray tell where did you hear that one? Jesus came to give life and that life more abundantly speaks to Spiritual life. period. quick trying to take the Things of the Spirit and make them Physical. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.
Never the two shall meet. So, are you saying that in Supporting a culture of life that you are against abortion? And, in support of taking down Roe V Wade? just wanting to know just how much of the culture of life you support?
Jesus does not call for us to lay down and die when an evil cult rises up to Submit, Covert or Die to that murderous cult. As a matter of opinion, Jesus would want us to rise up and fight fire with fire against this evil.
IMAGE: Bear1909 with crash helmet on swings on a vine over to On-my-Soapbox’s tree Off Topic to high five the biblically grounded Brotha on the prospect of bein a real live G-Paw.
Hallelujah, Soap. Best to Mrs G-Paw too. Nice work. You beat the odds!
Scriptural prowess in motion = uhangtight
kudos to you, hang. nicely done.
Indeed Bear. Five back at ya - thanks. Have a slice tonight for me will ya! I have a feeling it will be a loooonnnng night!
I know I’m late on this thread, but who cares what the UN thinks or says? We should kick that socialist organization out of New York and get rid of Kucinich and the rest of the nutroots while we’re at it.
culture of life = let’s pay every mexican 5 large to have a baby in the USA
I see a motion to table is up. There must be a big collective bipartisan sigh.
If anyone should be impeached it should Kucinich & all his fellow croany traitorKKKrats. They have been trying to undermine the president & American war effort ever since 911. That is the definition of TREASON & SEDITION. It is a very legal & just war. If KKKlintoon would done something after the ‘93 WTC attack we would not be in the situation we are in now.
IMPEACH THE TRAITORKKKRATS FOR SEDITION & TREASON!!!
For 5 large I will talk to my daughter and see if she will name the baby Jesus.
Where do any of you get the idea containment works?
Oh sorry - probably same place you get the idea that socialism works.
Never worked before but “we’re smarter so it’ll work this time”
Talk about naive.
errah, I had my staff fold some marvelous hats out of some spare aluminum siding. These receive the DNC Howard Dean channels much better than my old crumpled tin foil hat from Tip! On another note errah, if Elliot is giving out licenses to illegals i NY, perhaps either he or Hillary could put in a good word for me with the Massachusetts DMV. I lost mine swimming some time back errah . . .
jesus soap has a nice ring to it. lol
but ivory works if its a girl….
Soap… lol…lol..
think that we have heard the last from southernboy for tonight.. gosh this was fun!!!
thanks bear..but can’t stand it when i smell a rat..
and this one has an especially fowl ordor..troll..ordor
oops odor..
It was Saddam. The UN NEVER cut off food to Iraq under sanctions
In fact that is why Food for Oil was created because Saddam refused to feed his people because his weapons were cut off
LOL - Teddy - luv ya man!
Ivory Soap - you’re good. We’re not worthy!
I just got here and don’t have time to read the entire thread, or Denny’s diatribe, but I get the distinct impression that he does not approve of Cheney’s performance in office
I’ve uh been off for some time. I put my password on a coaster or napkin somewhere and could not seem to find it. Errah Fortunately one of my interns found it at Bullfeathers last night
Hindsight taught me that Saddam was never a terrorist threat.
So, Teddy, what do ya think about impeachment of the VP?
The kurds that were gassed, really, beg to differ.
They were the threat to Saddam’s regime, not the other way around. He did what he had to do. And how that relates to 9/11 I’m not quite sure.
ROFL - boy.
Did you not watch as his own government officials were called out and shot? No trial? What would Jesus have done?
I’m feeling kinda guilty these days - here we go all using facts and logic and for those challenged in such….what a confusing world.
At one point I thought it might be a terminal disease - but Clarence Thomas indicates in his book that he recovered from it.
I’m not in a position to judge (thankfully so) - but for some who spout here claiming things Jesus would say or do a verse that comes to mind “many will call me Lord Lord but I will say - depart from me, I never knew you”
errah we’re all giggles up here in harry’s office. we’ll vote yes on anything! Errah eh what’s a VP??!!
Who said it relates to 911……fact is, they were gassed……civilians….dead.
Your argument has no basis with regards to actual history, and Saddam’s bellicose behaviour in the region, much less within his own borders.
I’m willing to impeach Cheney, if we can also impeach all the Democrats who said the same sorts of things as he did. Lets start with Hillary Clinton.
We attacked Saddam in retaliation for 9/11. I don’t think he had anything to do with al Qaida.
Hatelibs has it right. The Congress-critters would soil their pants if we stockpiled what we have found in Iraq within a mile of the Capitol. They’d go to the bunkers PDQ. I still don’t think that the regular snail-mail is anywhere near functioning normally after the anthrax episode.
We know that the Russians were in Iraq helping to clean up the place before the US deployment. We know that Mrs. Hussein, for instance, moved out of country as part of a convoy of trailer trucks that probably didn’t contain just American dollars and her collection of shoes. And we know that hers wasn’t the first or last of such movements.
Why the Bush administration hasn’t made hay out of the things we DID find and the documents that we’ve captured documenting Saddam’s evil maneuverings is a Mystery for the Ages.
D. Kucinich is the only politician referring to little green men when he discusses amnesty for illegal aliens. How does this guy get elected? Honestly Ohio, what the hell?
errah Mr. Box (#242) perhaps impeachment is too strong a term here. We Dimocrats really need W around for the next two years kinda like a beach ball. If he’s gone then someone might start asking serious questions on our positions. Howard comes up with these distraction when one of our folks is taking too much heat like Hillary has this past week. He’s a media genius and know how to get these MSM folks off the scent.
errah my error # 243
20 yea 211 nay so far
opps yea 195 nay 216 nay
Oh. It is really too bad that we can’t let Kucinich have his lead on this for a little while. Watching the Dems display their full fruitiness would pave the way for a strong Republican showing in 2008.
Yes, it would be horribly wasteful and expensive but it would be soooooo illuminating and educational.
looks like we have some floppers.
An absence of public evidence does not prove this negative.
errah Mr. Box, How did you like those three plants he sent to question her in Iowa the other day?
this is crazy…
They are going on record? WOW.
I read where someone was saying Kucinich’s wife looks like the character Arwen Evenstar in the “Lord of the Rings. Well, I’ve seen her and that’s a bit of a stretch. Denny looking like Gollum is a more likely comparison in my opinion.
How can this even be close?
SouthernChild - You have now PROVEN yourself a moby. That was spoken like a true BDS-afflicted, Code-pinko, MoveOn indoctrinated liberal drone.
we attacked saddam in retaliation for 911 ??
So, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, was in retaliation for 9/11/2001 ?
Dude, pull your head out, your hair is scraping the back of your teeth.
unreal how many crapweasels are changing their votes , so far 55 minutes this has taken to table.
Why did we attack Saddam, a person who was no threat?
what’s a moby ?
now its at yay 178 nay 233
The Taliban were of no threat to the USA either……soooooo….how does it feel, hanging on that pole, straw man ?
Errah, Good uhh job uh Mr Dean! Errah, look’s like Hillary’s back to the B Section tomorrow on driver licenses and immigration. Wolffy now has something to fill his three hours with tonight. Tell Denny “Mission Acomplished!”
I’ve seen less up and down at a yo-yo contest.
A person who was no threat? If you really believe that, then I am done with you and would only ask that you stop the charade.
I agree. Saddam was no threat to all the people he killed. They were all dead.
southern boy, you didn’t answer my question about how far your culture of life extends. Does it extend to anti-abortion, culture of life? Or is it just evil you want to have a culture of life towards?
say as in pro-choice, kill babies but keep Saddam alive? culture of life? please, answer. tell me do you agree with abortion or not?
Sorry, Teddy - not ignoring.
You Dems did a great job there. Now, send her some flowers to go with those plants.
Saddam would have never directly attacked the USA…….the issue was the handing off of the WMD’s, that were stipulated to exist, in order for him to maintain relevance in the Middle east as a bad ass……..
lol michelle dont try and keep up it will make you nuts.. switching flurry .. lol
The MSM has been pricking the frontal lobes of the “Law and Order” show conditioned American public.
“If you can’t find fibers of Osama Bin Laden’s camel hair coat, then there is nothing to tie him to Saddam Hussein.”
Yet, where does al Qaeda mysteriously appear in force once the Americans invade? Iraq. Did they just take the bus?
Sunnis help Sunnis, as long as said Sunnis can deliver the patronage, cash, and loot to the sheikhs.
Osama had ties with the Sunni sheikhs.
They ran the show in the neighborhoods and protected Saddam’s power. And when Saddam was ousted they had a fallback plan- their connections and ties with Al Qaeda operatives.
Boots on the ground intel found that out in short order as American troops were being slaughtered.
George Tennant (sp?) was ineffectual about al Qaeda operating anywhere because he was a giant chickensh*t who never put people on the ground in spite of Clinton and his Mommy HalfBright.
History written ten years from now is going to be a blistering read for Americans who choose to engage.
It won’t be pretty. Once the Tennants and Clintons and other sorry peawits have written their legacy books, the genuine articles of history will be written.
Slaughterhouse anyone?
I know an Iraqi family that had to flee their country after Saddam held elections on 10/15/02. Why? The mother did not support Saddam in his so called re-election bid and had put a sign on her house stating she supported another leader, Saddam’s thugs came to the house took the sign down, took her eldest son into custody and threatened the family with death if they continued to oppose Saddam. Her son has never been seen since and she fears Saddam’s henchmen murdered him as punishment for her transgression.
They had to escape through Saudi Arabia because they where being harrased by Saddam and his cronies. They told me they where Saudi when I met them and several month’s later their daughter told my daughter they where really Iraqi, “We just tell people that because Americans hate Iraqi’s”. I asked her father why they would tell people that they were Saudi when I knew he was an Iraqi and he told me the same thing his daughter told mine. I told them that American’s don’t hate the Iraqi people they dislike Saddam’s Government. “I’m glad you made it here and that your safe” I said.
They have watched entire families dissappear into the night with Saddam’s thug’s never to be seen again. They have watched people shot in the streets for no apparent reason to them. The father thanked me and the American people for supporting the invasion of Iraq. Now their confused “Why do some Americans want to impeach Bush and Cheney the hero’s that freed our people and allowed us to come to your country and live peaceful lives.” My explanation was this. The people who want to impeach Bush and Cheney have another agenda, these are people that would like to turn the U.S. into a police state just as you lived in, they will denie this at all turns telling you that they are fighting this fight for people like you. They think that you aren’t smart enough to figure it out on your own so they just tell you what you want to hear, not the truth because if you know the truth they can’t make their power grab that will plumit us all into subserviants.
I told him you watch and see who is pushing this agenda and you will know who your real enemies are. It didn’t take him long either he came back to my house and told me he fiqured it out, “It’s the Liberals, Democrats is what you call them”.”I think when I become a citizen and I can vote I’m not going to be a Liberal”. (Smart Iraqi)
This is a betrayl to all the Iraqi people to base an Impeachment on intelligence that the entire world believed. How absurd, Kucinich and the moonbats that support this are fools.
can we get a list of the 133 republicans that are voting nay?
WHA?????
No balls. Probablly Ron Paul supporters too.
wow someone on the floor is really laughing loud and long… what the heck?
uhangtight,
its still going on, its nutso!!!!
I think that they are voting “nay” to the tabling vote — so it will be up for a real vote. Then they can really stick it to the Dems and make them take a position. I think it’s actually a good idea. Or am I missing something?
what a CIRCUS!
Man. This is a baaaaaddd day for the Democrats. They got gamed on Mukasey and now the GOP just gamed them into debating their idiocy. Too funny.
15 minute voye taking over an hour so far.
vote , opps
Is it over? I just connected to cspan radio, and they were talking about food safety — or something.
The DhimmiCrats are imploding: AGAIN.
not yet lan
There is a GOD!
what a clusterf___.
I would be in favor of that!!!
Thay all should be in clown suits.
Image of a Congressional Clusterf*ck: Teddy saying he’ll grab the horns. Biden wants to go first. Kucinich …oh never mind.
they geez
I love this. Please let this become a huge issue. Oh god in heaven please.
I was obviously thinking of a Congressional goatf*ck
How do you spell K-a-b-o-o-m, Dennis?
This is like Chris Darden getting OJ to put the gloves on in front of the jury……disastrous.
LOL !!!!!
WHOO HOO. That last part, Hoyner was trying really hard to keep it together and Bohner gamed him.
Oh man the Nutroots at the DU are SCREAMING at the Democrats not to table this. The Dem leadership is getting it from all sides LOL
todays crapweasels
I mean Congress
D-I-M-O-C-R-A-P
LOL AJ, we’re still not worthy!
yes, the republican leadership changed the votes to nay, so that they can debate the issue.. it was a calculated strategy by the Republican Leader..
Its live on CSpan now
Impeachment debate
My God they have Kucinich on and its HILLARIOUS
The reporter asked him why Republicans are voting with him on this bill and he said this PROVES its not a partisan issue that even republicans are fed up with Bush.
The man is CLUELESS
The global temperature is going to go up 10 degrees from the friction due to MSM spin. I used to think GW had nothing to do with man. Between the spin friction and hot air, I have changed my position.
Doppy won round 1 - LOL!
They think it is about people wanting to impeach the VP. Nope, we want them on record!
thegreatbeast
Thank you. Trust me, I can’t wait until the day comes when the American people and the world actually are forced to accept the truth about Iraq.
It’s amazing that the “connect the dots” question is used to question why we didn’t see 9/11 coming but when it comes to the pieces of the puzzle afterwards…the left runs around with a big eraser to wipe out the dots.
Saddam DID have WMD’s and AlQaeda was operating in Iraq BEFORE we invaded. Does the name Zarquawi ring a bell to any of you brain dead liberals? Just once I would like to see a liberal use FACTS, truth, and reality in their argument instead of false information, fantasy, and outright lies.
This whole day spent on nonsense is the final capitulation of the House Democrats. It’s the final admission of what everyone already suspected: “We know we can’t do our jobs - including passing even a single budget bill - so let’s just have a vote on how much we hate Dick Cheney!”
Shortly after the 2006 election I saw a poll indicating that a concern of voters - that went across party lines - was that the Democrats would overplay their hand and waste time investigating and attacking the administration instead of getting anything done.
The prophecy has come true.
What more eloquent testimony, aside from this exercise in ridiculousness, can there be that today’s Democrat party is simply unfit to govern? They can’t even govern their negative emotions, not to mention a country.
Then they would be Republicans hatelibs.
Fox news is reporting that John Conyers is telling dems this “Impeachment is a waste of Congresses time”
I swear its awesome !
It’s like I said before, Dennis screwed his own party with this one.
Personally, if the blocking motion fails, then I think the Republicans should take this one step further by REFUSING to debate the issue - yield all their time to the Democrats. Let Democrats debate each other about it.
This will show the nutroots that it’s not the Republicans keeping the VP from being impeached – it’s their own party!
Democrats get what they deserve.
This is what you get when you pander to your nutty base for votes and money. Democrats were desperate and so they’ve allowed a lot of nonsense to fester knowing all along it was bogus and nonsense.
TIP
Whatever their smoking dont let you’re kids get their hands on any of it.
I think they were able to able it with EXACTLY 218 votes.
lol, tip in general not you tipper. lol
ajmontana
Good point
aj, decorum, please. That’s fustercluck.
Weekly standard says
Result? Democrats loose.
I say that every single Demoncrap that voted for not tabling the impeachment…..should turn in their next paycheck.
WE want a refund for doing Nothing.
There, fixed it for ya!
Keep your cameraphones ready, someone’s head is going to explode. But watch out for the tinfoil and copper mesh shrapnel.
It brings back memories though, of those days on the elmentary school playground, voices shouting, “Are too, am not, are too, am not…”
Dennis please report to Peloi’s office and wait for your mother(ship) to take you home.
To quote soap…
“There is a God!
You can’t trust any politician that hangs out with Shirley Mclaine and see alien spaceships who decide to impeach the VP and President!
I nominate southernboy as “Gentlist Troll of the Year”
If the blocking motion did fail, then the Republicans should exclaim that the Democrats are afraid to debate the issue because they don’t want the truth to get out!
ROFL
The liberals in the office here are cheering - Cheney is impeached. I gave them the facts and asked:
Soap: Did you read the resolution.
Donk: No
Soap: I’ll send you a copy
Donk: I’ll hear it on the news tonight. Cheney was impeached
Soap: No, he was not
Donk: I was just listening to it on the radio
Soap: *rolls eyes*
lonewolf:
At least he is funnier than lgm
whats an lgm
loser gone mad?
Soap
I actually feel sort of sorry for Donk tonight.
Maybe he’s one of the on strike writers that was just here trolling for material…
Ok, Ok. You’re right.
They got to put up or shut up.
KooKucinich!
I am in an office full libs thinking the VP should be impeached. It should have been Donks!
Night all. Off to hospital to see if I will be papa-soap in the morning!
We shall fight another day!
Papa Soap!!!
Good luck to you and Mama Soap.
Well thats weird the bill is up on the congressional site but not the role call.
ITS HR 799 but this is what I get about the bill (even though later bills are there)
Ok, it gets even funnier. Conyers has had it since May 4th.
HR 333 it is was referred to committee for consideration on May 4th.
Link
The Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties is one of five subcommittees of the United States House Committee on the Judiciary.
Dennis Kucinich: Shot what was left of his Loser political wad on a dead duck bill.
Not ready for prime time. Got his VeeDub blown apart by a Republican tank before he could lift it out of the garage.
L-o-S-e-R.
Impeach that. Now go get an ear job so you can look just like yer daddy again. You hurt him when you got yours clipped so you could get murried. Whatever happened to Vulcan pride?
Now Pelosi is going to have to spank your tawdry patoot.
Hey I know. Why not audition for Jay Leno’s lap puppet.
“Hi! I’m Monty Kucinich. Er- I mean Freddy Kucinich. Errrr- Billy Barty! No wait! I used to know who I was until I tried to impeach what’s his face!!!”
And into obscurity he will go.
All said, Kucinich is about the only lefty in Congress that I respect, simply because he has been, and is steadfast in his beliefs, as nutty as they may be…..and has NOT flip flopped after testing the winds.
The most amazing thing about this (although not surprising) - I have been cross-checking the CNN website, and there isn’t *any mention* of this! Attempting to impeach the vice president *isn’t newsworthy*?
Just more evidence, if you needed it, that the MSM is providing cover for the most loony of the liberals.
I just want to know when Kucinich is going to introduce the UFO /alien diplomacy bill and a resolution to admonish Russia for shooting at them?
or was this earmarked onto the end of the Impeachment resolution?
Read this, via wacko afterdowningstreet (not going to link, because they are wackos)
So basically, only 5 Democrats voted in favor of moving forward with impeachment?!?
I love it!!!
FAUX NEWS ALERT!
Dennis Kucinich has signed a book deal with Aplomb Publishing. He will pen his memoirs as a novella entitled “The Story of Corky Westerhauser”.
Good luck, Dinky Denny!
Actually, that refund should date back to January, since the Dumbocrats have basically done nothing since they regained the majority.
Keep this up and they could easily become the minority again, should the Republican cogress critters (and the RNC) ALL use their spines and brains on a regular basis.
It is very bad for the Republic that the Democrats, one of our two major parties, are this feckless and incompetent. The Republicans have not exactly distinguished themselves lately as examples of statesmanship either. It makes it much harder to export democratic values to authoritarian or totalitarian cultures when the example we offer is so unfortunate. This also makes it much more dangerous for our troops and indeed for all Americans everywhere.
All Circus acts and carnies aside, I get your drift LifeoftheMind.
#352 Fat Tone: I agree…same thing I think can be said in the senate for a man I’ve never agreed with on anything (that I know of). I’m not sure Kennedy has ever flip-flopped (well ‘cept when swimming).
When the Republicans wanted to impeach Bill Clinton for perjury, they were serious and got it done. The Democrats wanted to impeach Cheney (for what?) just for the sake of saying they wanted to impeach.
If anything, I’m glad our government is not a Parliament with its votes of confidence. That looks like what the Democrats want. I’m not always happy with the Republican party, but I just can’t stand the Democrats. There are so few principled Democrats I could support even when there are issues with which I disagree.
Where have you gone, Daniel Moynihan? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you …
bear..lol. that word brings to mind bad visuals!
Let’s wait and see how the media plays this one, before declaring things like a Democrat implosion.
The media has a way of describing day as night, and apples as neutron stars.
Today’s performance makes me nostalgic for vaudeville.
Heh. Man, democrats are the absolute worst… Talk about wolves in the hen house.
oh not me, yum fair food… lol
then the ferris wheel!
feebs.gotta disagree with you as far as taxpayers lose. As far as I can tell, if they weren’t doing this, they would be doing something really damaging to the taxpayer. I think the taxpayers won today.
Nothing is so wasteful as doing the wrong thing well.
#367-AJ - it appears you neglected to check out WHO was cooking your fair food….
blahhkkk!
at least the republican taxpayers won today in terms of votes gained next year… IMHO.
Feebie if I gazed into kitchens anywhere I’d prolly never eat again…
“dont look, dont tell”
from the Weekly Standard piece.
And it’s so much more than interesting, it is DISGUSTING, it is Cowardly, unethical, embarrassing, without honor and? it IS the left wing democrats of the Clinton era and beyond.
This is the Clinton legacy.
.
Watch your backs, everybody, the Clinton mob isn’t ‘even’ yet. There undoubtedly will be much more blood…real and imagined.
Oh Feebie! I know it’s so. We used to have a “Peach Festival” every year in the small village I lived in back in the 80s when I was farmin.
OMG. The village would contract the ride and games portion to some absolutely vile outfit from Kentucky.
The gene pool was goulash city for starters. And then the way these trollish fellas would come right up to the womenfolk and “entice” them to ride.
Had to b-slap one once. It was nasty.
Pink popcorn!!!!!!!!!!!!! Red sodies!!!!!
Every time I see Kucinich I am reminded of the carnie slime factor.
#354….I think I heard Sheila Jackson Lee (I think that’s who it was but I’m not certain) saying something about the UFO’s too…something about them playing capture the flag with the one that Apollo astronauts put on the moon. Maybe I got that wrong, it was the Martians doing that when we put our little mars rovers out there…. We could Kucinich to straighten it all out for us.
#374
Kucinich needs his little moon unit re-orbited far from here.
Carnies in space.
from way back at #28. one D ten T comment.
The Clinton crime syndicate will be known, eventually.
Bush actually will go down as a hero to the middle east, providing the Shill doesn’t ruin it all… if elected.
geez, hearing you guys describe it, I think I’m having delayed food poisoning from 2005.
#371 - AJ - its a scary way to live, aint it.
#373-Bear - all i have to say is in June, Pleasanton is over-run by the carnies in their trailers for the Alameda County Fair,,,its not just at the fair they are harassin’ lady folk. They use to sit out side a dive on main street….serious slime factor!
Bear:
Why would you go to North Beach Pizza when you could be dining on the very best pizza in the Bay Area…Blondies!!
Oh man…I am drooling at the thought of a big slab of that chewy cheesy pizza right now. It tastes so good after battling all the pan-handlers and junkies to get there too. Mmmmm…
And Rusty…it is just amazing to me that you can even possibly believe HALF of the crud you are spewing. you are talking in generalizations and listing things that are nothing more than pure emotional drivel spewed forth from the DU and kosbots. Your statements show you have a very basic misunderstanding and ignorance as to the entire picture of what has been happening in Iraq for the last 20 years. To think that you feel he was not a threat to his neighbors, immediate or otherwise, is just one of the most ignorant and uninformed things anyone could say. You would probably have said the same about Hitler as he eyed the Sudetanland and Poland. He had more than once demonstrated that he was unstable, and each and every time he lit up our planes with his radar or fired anti-aircraft weaponry at them were each individual acts of war. We had been justified, just based on that, for 12 years. Not to mention how justified we were to go in in 1998 when he expelled the inspectors.
As for not finding anything once we were there, whether we did or not is completely IRRELEVANT!!! You people were against us going in BEFORE we did, thus whether or not we found anything would have made no difference. The simple fact is, EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE was under the belief, for over 12 years, that he had nuke capability, was trying to obtain nuke capability and all the WMD’s illgotten oil money could buy. We only found out AFTER WE WENT IN that they had been buried/moved somewhere and could not be found. had we not gone in, EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE would still believe he had them.. What Bush did was what the inspectors were taking too long to find out. He did their job and got rid of a dangerous, murderous, raping tyrant in the process. The Mission was Completed. He was thrown out. What is going on now is something TOTALLY DIFFERENT and is no longer about WMD’s.
You and those of your ilk need glass navels to see where you are going, because your heads are so far up there with all your tired out worn out 60’s hippie love and no war crap that the whole big picture of how everything in the Middle East is all tied together and all about loose cannon dictators and islamic thugs completely and totally escapes all of you. The simple fact that you are capable of believing those that would see your head rolling on the ground before your lifeless bodies and disavow and disbelieve those with truly only good intentions and the safety and securit of your own home country and the world is astonishing and depressing all at the same time.
What you and all Liberals and Lefties need to do is to sit down and re-evaluate your priorities and your honor. you need to rethink just why you think and feel the way you do, then actually go out and study geo-political happenings and see the error and injustice of your thought processes and actions, for they are truly backwards and anti-American at the basest levels.
No, I do not question Liberals patiotism. They have none to question.
still no roll for this vote? probably trying to figure out who what where and when. what a mess.
RetFireman:
Prolly cuz I got sick from eating there once.
Nice rant, Dude.
It’s interesting that some of the bill’s cosponsors changed their vote to avoid debate. Cowards.
Jim C
Besides- methinks crossin the bridge for pizza would be insane.
No ‘fense.
I’m gonna be quoting your line about liberal patriotism. The oxymoronic irony of it all.
All right ladies and gentaminz….Bear is out and about. Time to exercise! And then- ‘Za down!
Happy trails.
Whispers to feebie: “carnieeeeeeeee…carnieeeeee….carnieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee”
The five Democratic Heros who voted to proceed with impeachment;
Kucinich
Kaptur
Filner
Waters
Watson
I assume that the nutroots will work to defeat all the other Democratic House members.
Some of them? Only five of them were serious.
Bear,,, Blondies is in Bezerkeley and in Pleasant Hill….take yaw pick!
nite nite bear,
Now that it has gone to committee, the left side is now trying to quietly disown the issue.
From talkleft
Can we please look forward instead of back? I don’t want to waste time trying to impeach Dick Cheney or George Bush.
Sick from eating Blondie’s? Oh the HORROR!! Dude, I feel for you. It weould be awful to get sick from there, for I have been known to make the 70 mile jaunt and battle hippies and winos specifically for a slab or two. We may have to meet over pizza there one day…Berkeley I mean, not Blondie’s.
And feel free to use it and spread it around.
There is a Kos thread on this, which I won’t link but you can all find for yourselves. Some comments on it;
I think these people are as unhappy with their party as we are with ours. What does misery love?
Retfireman:
I can just see you typing away with your face scrunched up in a frown, with your mind racing on how you hate those pinko, commie, liberals.
Then after you finish your diatribe, you pound the mouse on “submit comment” feeling all self satisfied, and all knowing.
You are retired, so I would assume that in your long, eventful life you would somehow be able to accept that some people just disagree with your political philosophy. It doesn’t mean they are cowards, or they dislike their country, or they’re stupid. Didn’t you have any really good American men and women in your family, firehouse, or community who just happen to have a different political point of view. They just disagree that’s all. Enjoy you pizza, and hopefully you don’t have a stroke out of extreme anger if the elections don’t go your way.
The funniest part of the Kos comments is the fact that they are delusional enough to think that this ever had a chance. Impeachment proceedings are simply politically unpopular, even with someone as unpopular as the VPOTUS. The Democrats knew this, which was why they expected just to have it brought to the table, and then quickly killed. We knew this, which was why we never panicked, sent out alerts, made any big press statements, etc, but instead, just popped a big bowl of popcorn and sat back to watch the entertainment.
I guess ignorance really isn’t bliss.
I got it. Kucinich reminds me of Yoda but without the wisdom, power or grace. Smallish, green complected and very, very alien.
Fellow Citizens:
Congressman KooKucinich needs our help. You see, with the proliferation of cell phone towers and other electromagnetic interference, the signals from the distant mother ship are getting somewhat scrambled.
With the aluminum markets headed in an upward trend, a Congressman’s pay just does not buy the tin foil it used to buy.
So here is the plan - save your tin foil chewing gum wrappers and foil coverings for various other sundry products. Save them and mail them to the good Congressman. This effort will cost you nothing but the price of first class postage.
If we provide an adequate supply, the Congressman can begin work on constructing the proper tin foil helmeted array that will filter out the Earthbound electromagnetic interference while channeling and boosting the signal from the mother ship.
If we take this one small step in bipartisan cooperation, we can reestablish interstellar harmony via the elfin delegate to the United States. Do it for your country. Do it for the children.
Good idea Kucinich Tin Foil Campaign i’m licking the stamp right now.
Thanks for the pic of the UFO Michelle. Now, I have to say I saw one too. GEEEEEZZZZ
/sarc off
Iran should be so lucky to get such good propaganda. Maybe Amedinjad and Kucinich where separated at birth.
If he wasn’t so flippin’ crazy, I’d have him tried for treason.
He just got himself the Party leadership position in my eyes. Masterful plan on his part.
Someone call him and tell him I owe him a beer.
And I guess wacko just doesn’t understand that this is bad for his party. People are going to have to speak up in it’s defense…
Can we force it out of commitee?
Easy on Kucinich’s UFO perspective folks; there’s at least as much of a chance aliens really are observing us as there is a chance of leftists debating with the right in a calm, courteous, intelligent, informed manner. Aww nuts… I think I just negated my defense of the esteemed Senator there.
Most of my colleagues and a few friends buy into all of this stuff (regarding the articles of impeachment edging their way toward the Bush administration). It goes without saying that they get all of their information from ABC, NBC, or second hand, have little Constitutional knowledge (maybe it wasn’t required coursework in some schools, I don’t know), and are convinced that we are the sole cause of global warming (and that the weather has never in the history of the Earth been as “weird” as it is right now), that gun control laws will stop criminals dead in their tracks, and that the economy is in the worst shape it’s been since 1978. I really do have to listen to these points of view daily. Ugh.
On a sort of side rant: one of my fellow teachers (yes, this is a public school) has the annoying habit of singing Barack Obama’s praises to her 8th grade classes because of his “pro-life” stance… excuse me? Just so all of you not in academia know, a lot of “professional” educators apparently do not intentionally seek to indoctrinate the youth in their care— they’re too ignorant to know anything beyond the subject matter they are being paid to teach. And for the past couple of days, I’ve had to deal with students coming into my class (which has NOTHING to do with current events, social sciences, history, or politics), demanding impeachment of the president (no wonder kids have more anxiety than we did at their age… it’s caused by the adults who are shaping their values system). I have been fairly successful at getting the kids back on task and shutting down colleagues who spout off about this nonsense when I ask them to list the impeachable offenses. Of course, the “illegal war” argument is the only thing I consistently hear, but then I remind them that 77 senators voted in favor of the use of force in Iraq (shall we seek to impeach them all?). The usual stuttering and stammering starts, then we’re back to discussing more relevant things. So I guess having pity for the ignorant is about as virtuous as one can get these days in American politics.
Buck, my thoughts exactly man. The guy has it all figured out…he’s a friggin’ genius, and anyone who disagrees with him is stupid, cowardly, unpatriotic, immature, communist, etc., etc. It’s actually kind of funny.
Dear buck:
Take your condescending tone, and stuff it. I am laughing at you, wasting so much of your life that concerned about me. however, if this is the best you can come up with to debate the facts, to debate the issues, then you should not wonder at all why people find you to be a tiresome fool with nothing to say. No wonder you find no fiends here, for who wishes to associate with someone who is exactly like I described…a member of the glass navel club.
Now, as i said, take your little condescending tone and shove it. Do not think to ever try to think what I do, how I do it or anything like you just said. that attitude right there is the root of what is fundamentally wrong with you and those of your ilk. Pompous and elitist without having the slightest reason to be so. Why don’t you get off your mom’s computer and let her go back to work. After all, it is a school night.
The day I let someone like you talk to me that way or try to imagine anything about me or my life is the day I vote Democrat. not bloody gonna happen.
Isn’t there a bridge somewhere without a troll you could fill in at? UnAmerican, non-patriotic bigotted, elitist snob.
So, was kucinich hanging out with Farrakhan? Could it have been the same ship?
Wingnuts:Play all the games you want ,but when you play with Cheney,your messing with the Big Dog.Please keep pushing .I would love to see all of you idiots get bit by your own stupidity.Only a moron would f*** with Cheney…But we are talking about Kucinich,after all.I think I hear the Mother ship calling,Dennis it is time to go home.Are these people really this stupid?
Retfireman: relax
Buck:suck.
Rusty:who cares?
Retfireman enjoy your pizza;you earned it.
Dakine,
Retfireman is kind of funny. Kinda funny, yet sad at the same time. His posts speak for themselves. I’m glad he can find friends here though. Everyone needs friends of their own “ilk” I guess. teehee :))
Cripes…no wonder Michelle doesn’t open for comments all that often. I haven’t ever had a root-canal, but buck’s comments give me a hint as to the pain involved in one.
As for Kookeunuch, that freak from the ‘mistake by the lake’…I wish he’d get it over with and announce
RuPaulRon Paul as his running mate. I suspect that’s the verbal signal to the mother-ship to beam them both up.I laughed as I read this. It doesn’t surprise me at all that something like this would happen. The left-wing democrats don’t want to debate, because they fear the republicans. Take John Edwards, for instance. He looks like he’s on the verge of tears every time a camera is on. Good grief, and these guys and gals think they can protect us from jihadists? What a snort. They just want to force their secular agenda on us and take shots at the Bush administration in the process. Why on earth do they continue to waste our time with this is beyond me.
That’s only because the bright lights hurt his soft, soft skin and his oh-so-delicate eyes…
So, what’s the verdict is Soap a grandpa or what?
not yet 30 pcs…
and were glad you and dakine found each other you make a lovely couple.
Thanks ajmontana. Your comments are always so full of insight and clarity.
My friends, my blood pressure is looooooow. buck is one of those trolls who has nothing to say, yet takes all day to say it. Tries to sound intelligent but only comes across as a teenager trying to fit in when the adults are talking. Can’t answer the questions posed, can’t present facts to back up claims, can’t do anything but attempt some sort of weak insult that falls as flat as his IQ. The fact that what his last couple of posts have shown was the best he could come up with shows his wit is just as lacking as his intelligence.
And yes, my posts do speak for themselves. As does yours.
What a putz.